Minimising our Axioms.

Minimising our starting points as we approach the scriptures.
I believe the less Axioms we have ( starting points) we have the better we will understand scriptures.
Here's a reduction to what I think we can all agree upon A place to begin our study with as little as possible bias , presuppositions , ' doctrines , ect in our minds before we attempt to understand what the bible is SAYING rather than what is presumed to TEACH .
Heres 3 .
1 The Bible Comes from God.

2. The Bible is true.

3 God cannot lie .

From this we ask observation questions ,in discovery mode ( not doctrines in search of a proof text)
Who
what
when
why
ect
Extra Axioms ; The sovereignty of God . The will of man , ect I'm sure you could think of many others .I believe is the wrong starting point .
As would be a set of doctrines.


Thoughts ?

Minimising our starting points as we approach the scriptures.
I believe the less Axioms we have ( starting points) we have the better we will understand scriptures.
Here's a reduction to what I think we can all agree upon A place to begin our study with as little as possible bias , presuppositions , ' doctrines , ect in our minds before we attempt to understand what the bible is SAYING rather than what is presumed to TEACH .
Heres 3 .
1 The Bible Comes from God.

2. The Bible is true.

3 God cannot lie .

From this we ask observation questions ,in discovery mode ( not doctrines in search of a proof text)
Who
what
when
why
ect
Extra Axioms ; The sovereignty of God . The will of man , ect I'm sure you could think of many others .I believe is the wrong starting point .
As would be a set of doctrines.


Thoughts ?

I think a very popular axiom found here is the covenant of grace doctrine taught in covenant theology.

https://www.ligonier.org/blog/what-covenant-grace/

I applaud your effort, but I would suggest that although each of your three statements is true, none is an axiom. All three are actually derived by reading the text of the Bible and getting to know its Author.

I propose just one axiom: The bible is not a work of fiction.

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I guess "The bible is not a work of fiction" is covered by the 3 i mentioned . I thought we'd need a ' who ' God and ' cannot lie '

Minimising our starting points as we approach the scriptures.
I believe the less Axioms we have ( starting points) we have the better we will understand scriptures.
Here's a reduction to what I think we can all agree upon A place to begin our study with as little as possible bias , presuppositions , ' doctrines , ect in our minds before we attempt to understand what the bible is SAYING rather than what is presumed to TEACH .
Heres 3 .
1 The Bible Comes from God.

2. The Bible is true.

3 God cannot lie .

From this we ask observation questions ,in discovery mode ( not doctrines in search of a proof text)
Who
what
when
why
ect
Extra Axioms ; The sovereignty of God . The will of man , ect I'm sure you could think of many others .I believe is the wrong starting point .
As would be a set of doctrines.


Thoughts ?

Both of which are presented in the Bible. The point was to minimize the number of axioms, was it not?

Both of which are presented in the Bible. The point was to minimize the number of axioms, was it not?

On top of the three given yes .

That's where we disagree. I don't think the three statements you provided are, in fact, axioms.

If you use as an axiom something which can be derived through the process, you are engaging in circular reasoning. Further, the point of an axiom is that it cannot be derived, but rather must stand on its own, independently of the process of discovery.

Case in point: in mathematics, you cannot prove that 1 = 1. You must simply accept it as a fundamental truth. I'm sure @posthuman can give you many examples, and better explanations, of mathematical axioms; I'm working on little-used information from over 30 years ago.

That's where we disagree. I don't think the three statements you provided are, in fact, axioms.

If you use as an axiom something which can be derived through the process, you are engaging in circular reasoning. Further, the point of an axiom is that it cannot be derived, but rather must stand on its own, independently of the process of discovery.

Case in point: in mathematics, you cannot prove that 1 = 1. You must simply accept it as a fundamental truth. I'm sure @posthuman can give you many examples, and better explanations, of mathematical axioms; I'm working on little-used information from over 30 years ago.

That's where we disagree. I don't think the three statements you provided are, in fact, axioms.

If you use as an axiom something which can be derived through the process, you are engaging in circular reasoning. Further, the point of an axiom is that it cannot be derived, but rather must stand on its own, independently of the process of discovery.

Case in point: in mathematics, you cannot prove that 1 = 1. You must simply accept it as a fundamental truth. I'm sure @posthuman can give you many examples, and better explanations, of mathematical axioms; I'm working on little-used information from over 30 years ago.

I applaud your effort, but I would suggest that although each of your three statements is true, none is an axiom. All three are actually derived by reading the text of the Bible and getting to know its Author.

I propose just one axiom: The bible is not a work of fiction.