PERSEVERANCE ON MARS - SEARCHING FOR LIFE OR DEATH OF A CIVILIZATION?

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ChoirLoft

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I don't think they have any bearing whatsoever to the Gospel. And even if they find signs of life, so what? It still doesn't have any bearing on the gospel.
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I agree.

In light of the responsibility God has placed upon us by means of the gospel, Martian discoveries have no bearing at all.

On the other hand, there are many that will argue any stupid thing they can think of that will subvert the power of Christ's salvation unto mankind. Discoveries on Mars, which include an ancient civilization, do not in any way detract from the reality of God or the wonder of His gift of immortal life to those who accept His death upon the cross.

This is my purpose in sharing these Martian matters. They are of interest intellectually and possibly morally. They are of no impact at all with regard to the responsibility God places upon mankind to surrender to His will.

The discovery of intelligent life, which existed at one time on Mars, does nothing at all to detract from the Bible story.

The Bible is consistent with its own theme, which is the fall and redemption of man.

It has nothing at all to do with dinosaurs, tectonic plate movement, prehistoric plant life, glacial movements across the earth, or the astronomical assortment of heavenly bodies. It is first and foremost about God's desire to redeem mankind from SIN.

Again, the Bible suggests the same fate awaits Earth as befell Mars - nuclear destruction. Does it not?

Therefore we are encouraged one and all to make peace with God while that opportunity persists.

I believe this to be the most important conclusion we can assume from our discoveries on the Red Planet.

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The radioactive isotope Xenon 129 is found extensively on the surface of Mars. It is this component of meteors found on earth that tell scientists the rock originated from the Red Planet.

Xenon 129 occurs nowhere in nature, but is created as a result of a nuclear explosion. There are only two places in the solar system where this isotope is found - on earth in limited quantities and on Mars everywhere.
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Why is this significant? :unsure::geek:
 
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I cant understand where he problem is either. The Bible teaches that life exists outside the Earth now
and has done so since ''the beginning'' which is an interesting subject in itself. The Bible doesn't actually tell us when creation started but the following verses are of special interest

In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth . And the Earth was without form and void
and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters
And God said let there be light and there was light . And God saw the light that it was Good and God divided the light from the darkness. And God divided the light from the darkness And the evening and the were the first day.

Genesis 1 v 1-5

For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens God himself that formed the earth he hath established it he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited I am the Lord and there is none
else

Isaiah 45 v 18

If you compare these two passages in the belief that the Bible doesn't contradict itself and that both Moses and Isaiah were used by God then you could come to the conclusion that creation didn't start with Adam Eve and Eden but that was a recreation that followed a huge universal battle between Light and darkness. Good and Evil
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Yes, there is the earth that lucifer sank, that earth had robotic creatures (not robots) but creatures that did not have free will. And those creatures looked like monkeys. Lucifer, out of jealousy liquefied that earth. That is why the earth was formless and void.

The GOD who is all knowing, knew that Lucifer would do this, that is why it was not made for Man first. You have shown great insight. The only thing that i want to say is that GOD has no equal. It was never a battle, lucifer was the chosen leader of the cherubim and seraphim chosen by his fellow cherubim/seraphim - like a democratic rulership. He had the ability to liquefy planets.
 
Genipher

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Why is this significant? :unsure::geek:
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I agree. Just because we don't experience Xenon 129 in nature here on earth, doesn't mean Yahweh didn't create it on other planets. It doesn't mean there was a civilization on Mars and they died of a nuclear explosion or something.
 
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Yes, there is the earth that lucifer sank, that earth had robotic creatures (not robots) but creatures that did not have free will. And those creatures looked like monkeys. Lucifer, out of jealousy liquefied that earth. That is why the earth was formless and void.

The GOD who is all knowing, knew that Lucifer would do this, that is why it was not made for Man first. You have shown great insight. The only thing that i want to say is that GOD has no equal. It was never a battle, lucifer was the chosen leader of the cherubim and seraphim chosen by his fellow cherubim/seraphim - like a democratic rulership. He had the ability to liquefy planets.
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This seems like a bunch of...pooh.
 
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Waste of money and brain power and for what?
People are hungry, cold, sick, unemployed, and homeless and we spend money on such foolishness.
The people who authorize such a waste of money should join the homeless, cold, and hungry and stay with them until the problem is solved.
Now if you want to send all these people that waste money on such foolishness on a one way trip to Mars, I might consider spending that money.
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The sad reality is we actually have plenty of resources to do this and eliminate hunger and homelessness
 
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rastai said:
The sad reality is we actually have plenty of resources to do this and eliminate hunger and homelessness
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There are no funds going to the space program that could be going to help poor people. Funds are already being provided for poor people. I have worked with the indigent for decades. Every state I have lived in has great services, food, clothing, shelter and jobs if they want the help. The majority refuse the help and stay on the streets and drink and drug themselves to death but it is not for lack of help offered. None of them are in that condition because we are spending money on the space program.
 
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There are no funds going to the space program that could be going to help poor people. Funds are already being provided for poor people. I have worked with the indigent for decades. Every state I have lived in has great services, food, clothing, shelter and jobs if they want the help. The majority refuse the help and stay on the streets and drink and drug themselves to death but it is not for lack of help offered. None of them are in that condition because we are spending money on the space program.
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All I'm saying is there is no lack of resources but there is plenty of greed and plenty of people work hard and still struggle to find quality food to eat.
 
ChoirLoft

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Genipher said:
I agree. Just because we don't experience Xenon 129 in nature here on earth, doesn't mean Yahweh didn't create it on other planets. It doesn't mean there was a civilization on Mars and they died of a nuclear explosion or something.
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Did you not read my statement concerning the isotope Xenon 129?

According to scientific FACT, the isotope occurs NOWHERE in nature.

Yahweh doesn't make it. The stars in their courses don't make it. It's created by the Unnatural explosion of nuclear materials.

Specifically, the lack of natural occurrence was documented by John Brandenburg Ph.D. in his book DEATH ON MARS. It is a recognized quality of Mars and Earth that Xenon 129 only exists in the wake of nuclear explosion. It isn't created by any natural process and it isn't created as a by-product of a nuclear reactor.

NASA landers and probes have to account for the high levels of Xenon 129 (as well as other by-products of nuclear explosions I didn't mention....is a list necessary?). That's why drilling through the ground or into rocks is now necessary to obtain a clean sample for examination. Martian ground is toxic - contaminated with radioactive material. This is also why NASA has abandoned notions of temporary structures for astronauts to camp out in on the surface of Mars. The ground is far too radioactive. NASA is investigating the possibility of housing astronauts in caves or extinct volcanic tubes. The contamination is REAL and it is artificially caused. The only debate among scientists and theorists is HOW it happened. It is no longer in doubt except by those who deny reality.

Are you a qualified Ph.D. in this field? Do you have evidence that Yahweh created it on other planets WITHOUT a previous nuclear explosion? The formation of isotopes is a chemical reaction much like the excrement that proceeds from those who have no idea OR EVIDENCE to support their assertions - scientific or Biblical.

My point in this exercise is two-fold.

First, is to educate the reader in the FACTS of what has been discovered on Mars.
Second, is to discover and debate ways of promoting the gospel in the face of Biblically illiterate types and atheist types who deny nearly everything the Bible asserts.

Posting fantastic arguments with no basis in logic or fact is counter-productive. We need to discuss and develop discussion points to defend the gospel, not to prove what idiots we are.

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ChoirLoft

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Yes, there is the earth that lucifer sank, that earth had robotic creatures (not robots) but creatures that did not have free will. And those creatures looked like monkeys. Lucifer, out of jealousy liquefied that earth. That is why the earth was formless and void.

The GOD who is all knowing, knew that Lucifer would do this, that is why it was not made for Man first. You have shown great insight. The only thing that i want to say is that GOD has no equal. It was never a battle, lucifer was the chosen leader of the cherubim and seraphim chosen by his fellow cherubim/seraphim - like a democratic rulership. He had the ability to liquefy planets.
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Quote Bible chapter and verse on this. As far as I know there is nothing in the Bible about it.

Let's see something other than tangential fantasy, please.

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ChoirLoft

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rastai said:
The sad reality is we actually have plenty of resources to do this and eliminate hunger and homelessness
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It isn't the space program that's misusing an inordinate amount of taxpayer resources, it's the military.

According to the Inspector General's office the projected military budget for the coming year is nearly sixty percent of the entire amount allowed. That's just the money that's obvious. There are numerous covert budgets that aren't visible for public inspection. I've tried to research it and can't find them all. It's a spider's web of money flowing out of public hands like water through a fire hose.

If we decommissioned two or three of the thirteen aircraft carriers currently commissioned for action, we'd have enough money to provide FREE healthcare for every man woman and child in America - including illegals.

It's not just the aircraft carrier that's so expensive. Every aircraft parked on one costs millions. When a carrier puts to sea it doesn't go alone. There's a screening force of cruisers, destroyers, submarines and monitoring satellite communications to support it. All that stuff costs a LOT of money. The US Navy is larger than the next seventeen nations combined, most of which are our allies. Is THIS really necessary?

America is now involved in DOZENS of shooting wars, mostly in the middle east and central Africa. All of this costs money.

The United States now supports a huge MERCENARY ARMY, called contractors in news media reports. These people carry guns and bombs. Contractors aren't plumbers and electricians. It's a fancy way of confusing the issue of Mercenary troops that are not restricted by a code of conduct on the battlefield as our boys and girls in uniform are expected to obey. They can kill and torture and destroy with immunity. All this is supported by tax payer money. None of it is monitored by the news media.

So here we are chocking on planetary exploration, which is probably one of the most noble things the US government does. The rest is downright CRIMINAL.

One wonders at the sanity of the American public these days. We're on the cusp of financial collapse BECAUSE OF MILITARY OVERSPENDING and we're arguing about COVID shots and Martian dust. Really?

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"On 16 September 1985, when the Commerce Department announced that the United States had become a debtor nation, the American Empire died." -Gore Vidal

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
 
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ChoirLoft said:
Quote Bible chapter and verse on this. As far as I know there is nothing in the Bible about it.

Let's see something other than tangential fantasy, please.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
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Saul kish walked in the shoes or similitudes of lucifer, that is why he was the first king of Israel, but he was replaced by King David who was in the shoes of Father Adam. Bethseba was in the shoe of Mother Eve. Solomon is in the shoes Cain, the baby that died was in the shoes of Abel, and Jedidiah was in the shoes of Seth.

Saul Kish, was chosen as king by his peers, that the people of Israel wanted a king to rule over them. Lucifer is a cherub, which is not an angel, but a completely different creature to angels. The Cherubim are superior to Angels in the kingdom. Their heavens world, Havilah is superior to that of Philadelphia, the heavens worlds for Angels. There are three races in the kingdom, Mankind is above all, cherubim and Seraphim are next, and Angels are under the Cherubim and Seraphim.

The rivers in genesis, was actually pointing to the air routes. Air routes is how ctizens of Heaven travel from one heavenly planet to another. Euphrates, is the air route that Jacob saw, when he saw Angels ascending and descending. Therefore, Euphrates is the air route into and out of the earth to the celestial. Lucifer, being the king chosen by his peers, and superior to all beings, had the ability to liquefy planets. He was the custodian of the Law, before the physical Manifestation of Mankind.

GOD allowed it, because his evil had to made manifest, and also because GOD respects the free will of all creatures. So when the Cherubim and Seraphim chose lucifer to be their leader, it was so. Lucfier, was the first scientist. Him and his group discovered the air routes that lead to philadelphia, and to Eden, as well as to the earth. And that is when he and his cohorts discovered Eden and saw there were only two people there. Eden is far more superior Havilah, and the supernatural body of Man is far superior to them. Man can fly without wings. So they devised a plan to infiltrate Eden and take Eden for themselves. But they couldn't, so they wanted the earth.

This is why Noah had three sons, and each of them fathered the three major ethnic groups in the earth. Shem the father of Asians, Japheth the father of caucasians, and Ham the father of Africans. Africans are defining Mankind, which is why they have suffered the most among all people in the earth. Japheth is defining the Cherubim and Seraphim, which is why they traveled the globe, infiltrated lands, befriended the people of that land, then killed them and took the land for themselves. And Asians is defining the Angels, which is why they have the largest population in the earth. Angels have 5 heavens worlds, all called Philadelphia, and are the highest population in Heaven.
 
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yes the military spend billions.
Then govts somehow claim that there isnt enough for things like free healthcare or education.
The poor (Im not talking about those who are so broken they are on the street and drugged and wont even go back to their rotting houses) cant afford things like basic dental care, food, clothes and stationery for school because the rents are so high that they have to keep up with it just to keep a roof over their heads.

The poor dont really want help because they just want the dignity of earning enough to cover their expenses. But living IS expensive. If you dont have any land, good luck trying to grow or catch food. You have to buy it.
 
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hmm I have not found the american public to be very smart about things.
Just a general observation.

Theres intelligent life elswehere though. Im sure.
in nz we dont spend the insane amounts that america spends on military but there still is an excuse some schools are given that there isnt enough to pay decent wages for support staff who are sorely needed in schools today. it does make people think well if we such a rich nation and happy on spending billions on say, the americas cup race which isnt all that important...well only to rich people, why isnt there enough to pay for the things that actually need the money?

so generosity only to the rich and nothing for the poor...as usual. The yachts cost a bomb to make and hotels and restaurants and tv coverage and everything are needed but somehow starving children are not priorty and have to wait years by the time they have grown up malnourished while some fat cat executive laughs all the way to the bank over a yacht race.
 
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and that is taxpayers money being spent...not private funds. If some rich boys want to have a yacht race fine but dont ask the public to fund it.
 
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Lanolin said:
hmm I have not found the american public to be very smart about things.
Just a general observation.

Theres intelligent life elswehere though. Im sure.
in nz we dont spend the insane amounts that america spends on military but there still is an excuse some schools are given that there isnt enough to pay decent wages for support staff who are sorely needed in schools today. it does make people think well if we such a rich nation and happy on spending billions on say, the americas cup race which isnt all that important...well only to rich people, why isnt there enough to pay for the things that actually need the money?

so generosity only to the rich and nothing for the poor...as usual. The yachts cost a bomb to make and hotels and restaurants and tv coverage and everything are needed but somehow starving children are not priorty and have to wait years by the time they have grown up malnourished while some fat cat executive laughs all the way to the bank over a yacht race.
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To be fair, I don't think NZ has the money to spend like America does...Also doesn't appear the NZ public is too smart about things either...just saying. Like many other countries they seem to be overly reliant on America to take care of them during any potential war times. What will happen to you guys if we choose not to step in and back you up? Ever thought about that?

I will agree that the government does seem to waste too much money on some things, though.
 
Genipher

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Yahcubs777 said:
Saul kish walked in the shoes or similitudes of lucifer, that is why he was the first king of Israel, but he was replaced by King David who was in the shoes of Father Adam. Bethseba was in the shoe of Mother Eve. Solomon is in the shoes Cain, the baby that died was in the shoes of Abel, and Jedidiah was in the shoes of Seth.

Saul Kish, was chosen as king by his peers, that the people of Israel wanted a king to rule over them. Lucifer is a cherub, which is not an angel, but a completely different creature to angels. The Cherubim are superior to Angels in the kingdom. Their heavens world, Havilah is superior to that of Philadelphia, the heavens worlds for Angels. There are three races in the kingdom, Mankind is above all, cherubim and Seraphim are next, and Angels are under the Cherubim and Seraphim.

The rivers in genesis, was actually pointing to the air routes. Air routes is how ctizens of Heaven travel from one heavenly planet to another. Euphrates, is the air route that Jacob saw, when he saw Angels ascending and descending. Therefore, Euphrates is the air route into and out of the earth to the celestial. Lucifer, being the king chosen by his peers, and superior to all beings, had the ability to liquefy planets. He was the custodian of the Law, before the physical Manifestation of Mankind.

GOD allowed it, because his evil had to made manifest, and also because GOD respects the free will of all creatures. So when the Cherubim and Seraphim chose lucifer to be their leader, it was so. Lucfier, was the first scientist. Him and his group discovered the air routes that lead to philadelphia, and to Eden, as well as to the earth. And that is when he and his cohorts discovered Eden and saw there were only two people there. Eden is far more superior Havilah, and the supernatural body of Man is far superior to them. Man can fly without wings. So they devised a plan to infiltrate Eden and take Eden for themselves. But they couldn't, so they wanted the earth.

This is why Noah had three sons, and each of them fathered the three major ethnic groups in the earth. Shem the father of Asians, Japheth the father of caucasians, and Ham the father of Africans. Africans are defining Mankind, which is why they have suffered the most among all people in the earth. Japheth is defining the Cherubim and Seraphim, which is why they traveled the globe, infiltrated lands, befriended the people of that land, then killed them and took the land for themselves. And Asians is defining the Angels, which is why they have the largest population in the earth. Angels have 5 heavens worlds, all called Philadelphia, and are the highest population in Heaven.
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A whole lotta "nope" here.
 
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Genipher said:
A whole lotta "nope" here.
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The brain of the mortal body is designed to know and understand life in this terrestrial. The Brain of the mortal body cannot understand the things of the kingdom. It is impossible for the mortal brain to know and understand life in the celestial, just as it is impossible for a fish brain to know and understand life on land. Thus, it is only the Spirit Being that can understand the things of the kingdom. Selah
 
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what is amazign to me , is that the life they looking for is cellular level . microbes

If they find two cells in the frozen water they will claim they found life.

But when a baby is gestating and growing apparently it isnt a life.

Interesting science
 
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Robertt said:
what is amazign to me , is that the life they looking for is cellular level . microbes

If they find two cells in the frozen water they will claim they found life.

But when a baby is gestating and growing apparently it isnt a life.

Interesting science
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Yup. They're hypocrites, strong in the use of doublethink.
 
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