Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

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Dino246

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Truth7t7 said:
Your position that women (Can) be bishops/pastors is a (Liberal) position, no insult, just a fact :giggle:

Women cant be Leaders, Bishops, Pastors, in the Church, it's that simple

A Bishop/Pastor is to be (A Married Man) it's that simple, Women Can't Be Bishops/Pastors/Leaders
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I don't know what your issue is, but clearly you are not interested in discussion, so I'm not going to bother attempting to discuss this subject further with you.
 
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Dino246 said:
I don't know what your issue is, but clearly you are not interested in discussion, so I'm not going to bother attempting to discuss this subject further with you.
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There's really no discussion to be had, only denial of God's clear words below.

A Woman can't be a Leader/Bishop/Pastor in the Church,its that simple.

A Bishop/Pastor is to be (A Married Man) it's that simple, Women Can't Be Bishops/Pastors/Leaders

1 Timothy 3:1-5KJV
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

A Woman is to learn in silence, with all subjection to the man, simple.

1 Timothy 2:9-15KJV
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Women are to be silent in the church service, God isn't the author of confusion

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church
 
Angela53510

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Truth7t7 said:
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife,
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What does this mean? Because of the use of the word "one" or "μιᾶς" in Greek the answer is related to numbers!

By claiming this is about only a man can be a bishop, you have missed the whole point of this part of the verse!

μιᾶς γυναικὸς ἄνδρα,
"One woman man"

This means NOT a man with two wives, or 4 wives or 700 wives is to be a bishop in church. This is very important, when you put it in context of the first century. Many cultures allowed polygamy at that time. It was a common practice. This instruction means God no longer wants men to marry multiple women. He only says leaders, but my guess is that if men leaders start to model faithful marriages, then the congregation will follow.

Unless you are implying having only one wife is for leaders, regular men in the congregation can continue to have as many wives as Solomon. And we all know how that turned out! They led Solomon astray from God!

Why doesn't Paul warn the women? "One man woman?" Because wives didn't follow polyandry practices, so they didn't need to be told to have only one husband. They were already keeping the original marriage covenant!

Try reading the words, and pulling OUT the meaning (exegesis). Stop reading your faulty opinions IN to the text! (Eisegesis)!
 
Angela53510

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Truth7t7 said:
Pastors, deacons, and soldiers for the cross of Christ

And the leftist term misogynist isn't included, fake news!
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The whole problem with all your ultra extreme right wing rantings, is that you really have not researched the words you use.

How many times is the word, "pastor" used in the New Testament to describe a church leader?

None!

The word Shepherd or ποιμένας in Greek, is a calling mentioned in Eph 4:11. It does not specify it is only for men.

So here is a whole thread dedicated to saying women can't be something or not, which is not even a biblical word.

Unbelievable!
 
Dino246

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Angela53510 said:
The whole problem with all your ultra extreme right wing rantings, is that you really have not researched the words you use.

How many times is the word, "pastor" used in the New Testament to describe a church leader?

None!

The word Shepherd or ποιμένας in Greek, is a calling mentioned in Eph 4:11. It does not specify it is only for men.

So here is a whole thread dedicated to saying women can't be something or not, which is not even a biblical word.

Unbelievable!
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I enjoy your Greek exegesis; it's valuable to the conversation, even if a KJV-onlyist like truth7t7 will ignore it.
 
notuptome

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Angela53510 said:
The whole problem with all your ultra extreme right wing rantings, is that you really have not researched the words you use.

How many times is the word, "pastor" used in the New Testament to describe a church leader?

None!

The word Shepherd or ποιμένας in Greek, is a calling mentioned in Eph 4:11. It does not specify it is only for men.

So here is a whole thread dedicated to saying women can't be something or not, which is not even a biblical word.

Unbelievable!
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The authority of your position is undermined by your already claiming the position of pastor as a woman. It is very unlikely that you will ever concede that the position of local church pastor is determined by God to be occupied by a man.

If you study Gods word to support a preconceived position you will eventually be successful in achieving the desired end.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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notuptome said:
The authority of your position is undermined by your already claiming the position of pastor as a woman. It is very unlikely that you will ever concede that the position of local church pastor is determined by God to be occupied by a man.

If you study Gods word to support a preconceived position you will eventually be successful in achieving the desired end.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Actually that is what I think you are guilty of. An ingrained erroneous hermeneutic unwilling to concede that Paul was talking about the wife toward the husband that may have included teaching without being given the license to teach (as in taking it upon herself without agreement from the church or the husband) and addressed specifically to Timothy to deal with in the church at Ephesus.

Not to be a rule banning all females from Teaching the bible. Having once committed to the bad interpretation you can't allow yourself to consider any other possible authorial intent. This results in giving a somewhat bombastic and belligerent response to any who question your interpretation which should be a sign that you have left off seeking authorial intent and that is a sign you are championing a bad interpretation.
 
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It is true that woman cannot be a pastor, however since a pastor has to be a strict monogamist the position of a pastor's wife is an important position which also carries with it strict codes on what type of woman she can be since she is the image of the Church as the husband is the image of Christ. The pastor's wife cannot be an odious or defiled or unbelieving woman because she is the embodiment of the Church. The role of the pastor's wife, while oft-overlooked, is still very important. The pastor and his wife are together a single unit living out the symbolism of the Christ and the Church.
 
Dino246

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notuptome said:
The authority of your position is undermined by your already claiming the position of pastor as a woman. It is very unlikely that you will ever concede that the position of local church pastor is determined by God to be occupied by a man.

If you study Gods word to support a preconceived position you will eventually be successful in achieving the desired end.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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You are employing the genetic fallacy: rejecting the argument because of its source, not its own merit.
 
Dino246

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RomanticRevolutionary said:
It is true that woman cannot be a pastor, however since a pastor has to be a strict monogamist the position of a pastor's wife is an important position which also carries with it strict codes on what type of woman she can be since she is the image of the Church as the husband is the image of Christ. The pastor's wife cannot be an odious or defiled or unbelieving woman because she is the embodiment of the Church. The role of the pastor's wife, while oft-overlooked, is still very important. The pastor and his wife are together a single unit living out the symbolism of the Christ and the Church.
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Wow... you have some seriously wacky ideas. There is NOTHING that distinguishes the marriage of a pastor from that of any other Christian. Your comments (in bold) are not biblically sound.
 
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Dino246 said:
Wow... you have some seriously wacky ideas. There is NOTHING that distinguishes the marriage of a pastor from that of any other Christian. Your comments (in bold) are not biblically sound.
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Yes they are biblically sound. From the code of the priests in the Old Testament to the Apostle Paul drawing the same exact parallels you will find these precepts actually quite a few times in the Bible.

Scribe said:
Who is going to stop them? :ROFL:
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The Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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RomanticRevolutionary said:
The Lord Jesus Christ.
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So are you thinking they are not saved? My interpretation of scripture is that Jesus is wanting to baptize women with the Holy Spirit and empower them to preach and to teach all nations. That was pointed out by Peter on the day of Pentecost. So if that is what Jesus wanted then why would anyone think that He does not want that?
 
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This is where you and I differ at the core. I believe that Jesus Christ has clearly made God's heart known to us that he is wanting to pour out His Spirit for the empowering of women for the preaching and teaching of the word of God on the day of Pentecost and that all of the callings associated with the gifts of ministry to the church are available to women and that Jesus is the Champion of this Cause and has made his will known in Baptizing in the Holy Spirit for the purpose of being a witness and fulfilling the great commission and if He wants to use a female to pastor a church no man will be able to stop her. And thank God that is happening world wide and has been happening since the day of Pentecost.

If you think that when Jesus comes again or when a female pastor meets Christ that he will say depart from me, you worker of iniquity because you were a female pastor you do not know the same Jesus I know.

I believe the she will inherit many eternal rewards provided she built on the foundation of Jesus Christ and was faithful to the revelation of Jesus and the Cross which included the call of women on the day of Pentecost. She must be faithful to what Jesus has already shown us, women were included in that call to be ministry.

Those that judge them and condemn them and claim they aren't saved are the ones that are going to have to deal with an angry Judge not the women who gave all to preach the Gospel.
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There is no such thing as a female husband, only pretenders deceiving themselves and their inferiors.
 
Dino246

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RomanticRevolutionary said:
Yes they are biblically sound. From the code of the priests in the Old Testament to the Apostle Paul drawing the same exact parallels you will find these precepts actually quite a few times in the Bible.
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Modern pastors aren't OT priests, period. The connection you assert to justify your comments simply does not exist.

RomanticRevolutionary said:
The Lord Jesus Christ.
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That's odd; He doesn't.
 
Dino246

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RomanticRevolutionary said:
There is no such thing as a female husband, only pretenders deceiving themselves and their inferiors.
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So, given that the same restriction is given for deacons, how is it that Phoebe is called a deacon? (Don't waste time with the "servant" argument; look at the word in Greek).
 
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