When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?

The inspired words of the prophet Solomon declare God would always listen from heaven for the repentant cries of His scattered people and bring them back to the land after scattering them for disobedience.

You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and you will not find a single instance where God gathered Israel back to the land after scattering them for disobedience without them first having repented. His promises of deliverance regarding the Babylonian captivity are not an exception -- we know for a fact the Babylonian captivity not only permanently cured Israel of their idolatry, but led to the institution of hundreds of (anti-idolatry) laws meant to keep the people from ever falling under the spell of idolatry again. These laws, unfortunately, eventually became for the people the focus and the means for obtaining salvation rather than the representative lamb offered morning and evening which pointed to the Messiah.


So, why do Christians disregard God's own divinely established principle for "scattering and gathering" and insist He had a hand in the events of 1948 when it can be shown that the occult U.N., the occult U.S. "Deep State", and the occult Papacy were behind them? Their disregard for this divine principle has led them to wrongly attribute Biblical promises to those who today call Jesus "son of a whore" and "the great imposter" rather than to whom God's promises pertain in our day: the Church, which is "Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise" because it is the Church which belongs to Christ, not impenitent pseudo-Jewish descendants of the pagan Khazarian Empire who don't have a drop of Semitic blood in them.

I will bless those that bless you and curse him that curse you.

No comment about “scattering/gathering”? 😊

(BTW, the “bless/curse” promise was for faithful Abraham and his faithful descendants, not those who call Jesus “the great imposter”.)

You do not think its at all miraculous how they survived against all odds in 1967? End times are all about the middle-east, not only according to biblical prophecy but even masonic people like Albert Pike predicted 3 world wars, he was right about the first two, he said the third one will be with Israel and its neighbors. (Mind you at this time Israel did not even exist)

The Bible talks about Jerusalem in the final days and the two witnesses, which again seems to me that while you may claim the STATE of Israel or the majority of its population is wicked, to which I would agree, I mean Tel Aviv is basically just a regular european city with its pride parades and such. But with that being said, according to Bible prophecy there is a remnant there and there are Jews in Jerusalem, not all of them are fake, that is again according to Bible prophecy not my opinion.

The inspired words of the prophet Solomon declare God would always listen from heaven for the repentant cries of His scattered people and bring them back to the land after scattering them for disobedience.

You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and you will not find a single instance where God gathered Israel back to the land after scattering them for disobedience without them first having repented. His promises of deliverance regarding the Babylonian captivity are not an exception -- we know for a fact the Babylonian captivity not only permanently cured Israel of their idolatry, but led to the institution of hundreds of (anti-idolatry) laws meant to keep the people from ever falling under the spell of idolatry again. These laws, unfortunately, eventually became for the people the focus and the means for obtaining salvation rather than the representative lamb offered morning and evening which pointed to the Messiah.


So, why do Christians disregard God's own divinely established principle for "scattering and gathering" and insist He had a hand in the events of 1948 when it can be shown that the occult U.N., the occult U.S. "Deep State", and the occult Papacy were behind them? Their disregard for this divine principle has led them to wrongly attribute Biblical promises to those who today call Jesus "son of a whore" and "the great imposter" rather than to whom God's promises pertain in our day: the Church, which is "Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise" because it is the Church which belongs to Christ, not impenitent pseudo-Jewish descendants of the pagan Khazarian Empire who don't have a drop of Semitic blood in them.

Church does indeed have the blessings as you say and promises that Paul talks about in Galatians

Remember however, there are also curses and restoration verses. Are we to say those also apply to the Church? Is the Church blinded until times of the gentiles end? Or is it talking about the physical descendants of Jacob?

The Tanakh is filled with passages of Israel in apostasy and how God restores them. Certainly these blessings and curses apply to Israel, not to the Church which did not even exist at the time? You cannot scatter one group and them regather a different group and claim a prophecy has been fulfilled.

It is refreshing to hear others who realize the Israel on the map of this time is the staging grounds for the final fulfillment of prophecy. It cannot be compared with the first Israel, a theocracy, nor with the one to come ruled by our King, Jesus-Yeshua. All blessings j

So, we're just going to ignore the fact that God never once in their entire history gathered Israel back to the land without them first having repented, right?

"Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place."

They are seventy weeks of years, with sixty nine of those seven year period being fulfilled. The seventieth seven or last seven years, is where the decree will be fulfilled regarding "your people and your holy city to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place."

The Church = made up of both Israelites and Gentiles

The Nation Israel = made up of those as a nation, who have rejected and reject Jesus as their Messiah and who still consider themselves under the law of Moses, as they look for the Messiah's first visit.

Jesus said, "I will build My church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." At the on-set of the church, Jesus paused the fulfillment of that last seven years and began building His church, which is still in the process of being built. Once the church is completed, the Lord will appear in the atmosphere and call up the dead and the living in Him, where He will then take the entire church back to the Father's house.

Once that event has taken place, the Lord will pick up right where He left off with the unbelieving nation of Israel, in fulfillment of that last seven years, of the seventy seven year periods that were decreed upon them and Jerusalem, just as it was when the decree was made, complete with a temple and sacrifices. This will also be taking place during the time of God's wrath.

This will be God's program with Israel, where He will fulfill that last seven years. The church will have already been removed from the earth prior to the opening of the first seal, which is that rider on the white horse and which is representing the antichrist who is the one who establishes that seven year covenant with Israel and sets up the abomination in the holy place.

God knows who are His and He knows who and where the Israelites are. He has even reserved form himself 144,000 Israelites, 12,000 from each tribe, as the first fruits out of Israel, who will acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah. and who will be sealed in their foreheads with the seal of God at the beginning of that seven year period.

In further support of this, the woman of Revelation 12 who is clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars, is figuratively representing the nation Israel.

The woman/Israel flees out into the wilderness where she will be cared for by God for 1260 days, i.e. that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, until the Lord returns. At some point during that time when they are being cared for by God, the unbelieving nation of Israel will confess Jesus as their Messiah by saying, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord." And this is what Paul has to say about the unbelieving nation of Israel:

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I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come from Zion;

He will remove godlessness from Jacob.

27And this is My covenant with them

when I take away their sins.”

28Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs. 29For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.

30Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience, 31so they too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you. 32For God has consigned everyone to disobedience so that He may have mercy on everyone.

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Where Israel is referred to, it is speaking about the unbelieving Nation of Israel as a whole. Those who believed of both Jew and Gentile belong to the church.

In addition, from Ezekiel 40 thru 48, is a temple and its measurements that do not match any of the previous temples and is huge in comparison, which will be the temple used during the millennial kingdom for those Israelites who make it alive through God's entire wrath. It is this remnant of Israel and the Gentiles who will repopulate the earth during the millennial kingdom. Even the allotment of each tribes land is different than when they first inhabited the land.

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After this I will return and rebuild the fallen tent of David.

Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it, so that the remnant of men may seek the Lord,

and all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things

that have been known for ages.’

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He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”

The above is not talking about the church, but about the unbelieving nation of Israel.

The inspired words of the prophet Solomon declare God would always listen from heaven for the repentant cries of His scattered people and bring them back to the land after scattering them for disobedience.

You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and you will not find a single instance where God gathered Israel back to the land after scattering them for disobedience without them first having repented. His promises of deliverance regarding the Babylonian captivity are not an exception -- we know for a fact the Babylonian captivity not only permanently cured Israel of their idolatry, but led to the institution of hundreds of (anti-idolatry) laws meant to keep the people from ever falling under the spell of idolatry again. These laws, unfortunately, eventually became for the people the focus and the means for obtaining salvation rather than the representative lamb offered morning and evening which pointed to the Messiah.


So, why do Christians disregard God's own divinely established principle for "scattering and gathering" and insist He had a hand in the events of 1948 when it can be shown that the occult U.N., the occult U.S. "Deep State", and the occult Papacy were behind them? Their disregard for this divine principle has led them to wrongly attribute Biblical promises to those who today call Jesus "son of a whore" and "the great imposter" rather than to whom God's promises pertain in our day: the Church, which is "Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise" because it is the Church which belongs to Christ, not impenitent pseudo-Jewish descendants of the pagan Khazarian Empire who don't have a drop of Semitic blood in them.

So, where in Scripture did God deviate from His divine principle and gather Israel back to the land without them repenting?

Oh, it's not there...but you're going to just pretend that doesn't matter, right?

(BTW, we can't take OT promises of restoration which were fulfilled in the return of Israel from Babylon and apply them to the future, especially since "Israel" still has yet to repent for killing Jesus, right?)

Most certainly is the church there, but that's another discussion. Did God ever gather Israel back to the land without them first repenting? It seems to me you're dodging the question...

So, we're just going to ignore the fact that God never once in their entire history gathered Israel back to the land without them first having repented, right?

I skimmed through all that looking for anything pertaining to the OP, which is that God never gathered Israel back to the land without them having first repented, and I didn't see anything refuting that.

So, by that are you agreeing with me that there's not a single instance where God did that?

It's not a difficult question: Did God ever gather them without them having first repented of whatever it was that got them scattered in the first place?

And this is the anti-semantic message.

Jesus only held Israel accountable for not knowing there time of there visitation.

Let me just say this my friend. There are a few sects of jews . Many people don't know this and classify all jews the same. Not so.
That's why scripture refers to them as Pharisees. Pharisaic jews added to the word of God. Sadducees are another sect and so on.
The same as christians have denominations. Do a little studying on that.