Who are the NEPHILIM in Genesis 6

Another breeding ground of heresy is ignorance.

I want to make sure of something:

The above quote of yours . . . are you suggesting that you control what I say and do not say? If so . . . that's cool. Please give me a list of all things that you don't want me to say so that I can stay our of your Angry Radar.

Please start listing . . .

No argument from me. In the same idea then.....is it not also acceptable for those of us who have been insulted to voice our own opinion as well.

Seems like I remember something about a goose and a gander.

Thnaks for your advice!

Since you're not arguing . . . I'll say it again. I wouldn't attend any Christian College in the world. Not one of them.

Excellant! Good choice because i just do not care anymore.

I ask again.....why not lets stop this back and forth?

You should care. The Lord has told us Himself that His True Remnant will be taught by Himself . . . and not from the vocal chords of men (read scripture below). And do you recall the plethora of other verses that indicate that the Spirit will teach His Children all things?

A sober reading of the Bible will prove, conclusively, that the Spirit will teach the Truth to His Remnant. Your Bible College should have taught you these things. I'm sorry that you got ripped off.

Jeremiah 31:33-34 RSV - 33 But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

Even worse, willful ignorance.

That brings us back to something that I've said here before, namely this:

As Christians, we're supposed to be DEAD unto ourselves and alive unto Christ.

If such is truly the case, then I honestly don't see any room for being "insulted" because being "insulted" requires PERSONAL OFFENSE.

On the other hand, if we truly are DEAD unto ourselves and alive unto Christ, then when somebody says or does something that we know to be in opposition to Christ or, literally, antichrist, our response ought be one of GRIEF FOR THEM, and not PERSONAL OFFENSE.

Do you see the difference?

Look, as I said earlier, I get into heated discussions here as much or more as anybody else does, but I honestly don't take any of the things that are said about me PERSONALLY to heart.

Instead, I stand in defense of the gospel.

Anyhow, if you haven't done so already, then you might want to check out the "Iron sharpens iron" thread that I started here today.

It might give you some more insight into what I'm attempting to say here.

the problem is you think you have formulated an argument.

The context of Genesis 6 is in that chapter. You can't use a few verses from the New Testament and Pseudoautograph Flase writing.

You must use outside the bible to formulate your argument which is an error. Without innerjecting the false Book of Enoch your argument is even less pointed. You have proved nothing. Again Jude's context of angels is not tied to sex with women or Genesis 6.

So your point then is the same as Johnathan Edwards in that since the Christian lives in the world he should expect to be slandered and if he keeps his eyes focused on God when it happens, he will not be stressed over it.

Several years ago, Richard Baxter had a comment, citeing J. C. Ryle in discussing the parable of the talents where he said,....
‘To do no harm is the praise of a stone, not of a man.’

Thank you for your comments and I hope that you do that for everyone.

It is also commonly said that sarcasm is ‘the lowest form of wit’, and again it must be acknowledged that the sneering tone is often a sure means of illustrating why Proverbs 17:14 was written:........
‘The beginning of strife is like releasing water; therefore stop contention before a quarrel starts.’

I ask you again to leave this alone and return tp the spirit of this thread. There is no reason to continue this conversation.

I'm sorry that you are unable to put a proper handle on my intention. I want to ensure you that I am not being sarcastic in any way, nor do I have a spirit of sneering. There is much scripture that supports what I am saying, which is that we are to depend on God for His Truth. If you don't adhere to these things, I have no say in the matter.

This following portion of scripture LITERALLY changed my entire life:

I Peter chapter 2

[18] Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.
[19] For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
[20] For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
[21] For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
[22] Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
[23] Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

Christ is supposed to be our example, and nobody has been slandered anywhere near as much as he has been and still is.

How did he respond?

By "committing himself to him that judges righteously" or by simply looking up and getting his Father's assessment.

In other words, while men were accusing of him of having a demon, being in league with Beelzebub, being a deceiver, etc., etc., etc., his Father's view of the same was that Jesus was his beloved Son in whom he was well-pleased.

I literally had to train myself, for years, to view things from a VERTiCAL PERSPECTIVE (what God thinks) as opposed to a HORiZONTAL PERSPECTIVE (what man thinks).

If a man, woman, or child accuses me of something, I immediately turn my focus UPWARD to see if their perspective matches God's perspective.

If it does, then I repent.

If it doesn't, then I just move on.

THIS is how we need to live.

Again, I'll contend for the gospel, but getting into contention with others on a more personal level is something altogether different.

I already made it clear that Enoch is not necessary to confirm the angel view of Genesis 6.

Do you believe that Peter's and Jude's reference of angelic activity is the same event?

Unfortunately, your comments are based mostly on what Scripture does not say.

Scripture does not say whether angels have the ability to procreate or not. It says nothing about their ability to have sex. It says nothing about what angels on earth can or cannot do, regarding intimate relationships. It says nothing about the abilities of angels who rebelled against God.

What it does say is that angels in heaven do not marry. As far as this topic goes, that's it; that's all. Making claims and assertions beyond that is merely speculating and arguing from silence.

Watch out for all the tall and big people you see!

I disagree,
God very clearly in the Book of Genesis states that God made the animals and man after their own Kind He made them male and female.

it was the man who was made in the " likeness of God" not as God.

God made the angels as none sexual or fleshly beings. it was Jesus who said they are neither male nor female " they will be "like " the ANGELS.

Angels are messengers they are not able to suffer from the temptation of the flesh. They are not stopped by the desire of sex as men and women are. Only men and women and the animals were given the ability to procreate. This may be why the angels rebelled( some) I don't know. We do not know why Lucifer did and those who followed him.

The the point that was made

FYI marrying is the bring together of two and make one. Jesus was very clear when the scribes asked him about "whose wife shall she be in heaven" ?.

MATTHEW 22:23-34,
Mark 12:18-27
Luke 20:27-40

When you say There is no scripture about angels not being able to have sex, is funny because the word " sex " is not in the bible, but what is there are clear limitations that man, not angels can cross.

Angels are spiritual beings we are spirit beings in a body of flesh. when we die we will be as the angels ARE and have always been without fresh until the body has been glorified as 1cor 15:54 states.

Since the book of Enoch is so far from reality and has no validity at all, not only is it not need but it is impossible to be used to verify anything IMHPO.

If you think that a "spirit" being can in some way have physical sexual relations with human women and produce a child then in light of Gods Word which says that "LIKE kinds and only produce LIKE kinds" and that "Angels are ASEXUAL...then go righ ahead.


So that we are on the same page and do not open the door to be ambigeouse, please post the exact Scriptures that you are referring to and I will be more than happy to reply.

All angel's have their own flesh bodies. The flesh is different than human flesh but looks the same. No angel is a bodiless spirit etc. When an angel is mentioned in the bible, they are always in a visible and physical body.

word of God doesn't say they have flesh. And it is not always when angels are mentioned they are in a physical body.

Angelos means messenger which has been seen as other than human form.

Seraphim have six wings.
Cherubim seem to have multiple faces: Ox, Lion, eagle,
Archangels “Arch-” means “chief,”


Describes as :

Kings, princes, principalities, thrones, rulers of the darkness

Living creatures