Is the mark of the beast already available? Why is anyone expecting a third physical Temple? Did the USA already issue a Sunday Law (Blue Law)?

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pittsburghjoe

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Could the two Witnesses of Revelation 11 be the Old an New Testament?


Jesus didn't tell us the Temple is inside us for the fun of it.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
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If we defile the temple of God ..we have the mark of the beast ..and God will destroy ..JUDGEMENT

Half the world is waiting from some random guy to offer them a mark and the other half want a Sunday Law that already happened.

Are you familiar with the history of the early Roman Catholic Church? Does it sound like something Jesus would support? Did satan have authority of it? Should we question the odd choices the RCC has made(idols, Sabbath to Sunday, a pope position to replace Christ)?

  • little horn = papacy
  • whore of Babylon = churchs' that bow to the papacy
  • false prophet = ? ..why can't it be the spanish inquisition?
I don't think there is a time frame between the second beast and Judgement.

If this stuff already happened ..it would mean the mark is already available. It's always been about God's Law/Love/Word vs the carnal perception.

Two Witnesses of Revelation 11
Fire came out of both mouths ..it was the Word of the Lord
They wore cheap clothing ..it was in reference to the people spreading The Word during persecutions
1260 years is how long the Witnesses Testified
The Two Witnesses are the Old and New Testament
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Could the two Witnesses of Revelation 11 be the Old an New Testament?
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How do books: have power to shut the sky so that no rain will fall during the days of their prophecy, and
power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they wish?
 
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How can the beast kill books? They are referred to as fallen prophets that then lie in the streets for three and
a half day, after which the breath of life from God enters the two witnesses, and they will stand on their feet.
 
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Magenta said:
How can the beast kill books? They are referred to as fallen prophets that then lie in the streets for three and
a half day, after which the breath of life from God enters the two witnesses, and they will stand on their feet.
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Dead in the streets ..is cities/towns that have given up on the Bible.

Jesus dies and then comes back.
 
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Magenta said:
How do books: have power to shut the sky so that no rain will fall during the days of their prophecy, and
power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they wish?
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Do you get how much symbolism is in the Book of Revelation?
 
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"Whatever they do and whatever happens to them, they are inseparable. But in addition to their common action and destiny, the text furnishes another interesting and important detail. Nouns that are employed in connection with the two witnesses oftentimes come in the singular instead of the plural. This change from plural to singular emphasizes that the two witnesses always go together."
  • "Whereas in 9:18, 20 fire comes out of the mouths—plural—of the strange horses, in 11:5 fire comes out of the mouth—singular—of the two witnesses. Although there are two witnesses, they have only one mouth."

  • "Although they are two, they have one prophecy (11:6) and one testimony/witness (11:7)."

  • "The word “corpse/body” is found three times in 11:3–13. Their body—singular—lies in the street of the great city (11:8). People see their body—singular—three and a half days (11:9), and their bodies—plural—are not buried (11:9)."
 
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"Judgment seems to play a crucial part of the ministry of the two witnesses. Fire from the mouth of the witnesses that devours and kills enemies, lack of rain, turning the waters into blood, and bringing about all kinds of plagues is strong language."

"Judgment continues even after the resurrection of the witnesses."

"The plagues also have the effect of ‘tormenting’ the minds of unbelievers by reminding them of their hopeless spiritual plight, which results in forms of depression. The narratives of the first six trumpets and of the witnesses both conclude with a specific percentage of unbelievers being killed"
 
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PBJoe,
May I suggest that you keep your thread titles to a single focused question. This is a mishmash of ideas, and you will get a mishmash of comments.

To your questions: No; Yes; and, why would anyone outside the USA care?
 
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Dino246 said:
PBJoe,
May I suggest that you keep your thread titles to a single focused question. This is a mishmash of ideas, and you will get a mishmash of comments.

To your questions: No; Yes; and, why would anyone outside the USA care?
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Did you only read the title?

It means SDA needs an update ..the mark is already available.
 
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Did you only read the title?

It means SDA needs an update ..the mark is already available.
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The title was long enough by itself. I haven't gotten any farther yet. ;)

SDA? Seventh-Day Adventists? They've needed an update since their beginning; one with a strong dose of truth.
 
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Biblical Definition of the Mark of the Beast


1 John‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

via @Pilgrimshope
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Revelation 12:11-12
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

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1 Corinthians 3:16-17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

If we defile the temple of God ..we have the mark of the beast ..and God will destroy ..JUDGEMENT
 
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Jeremiah 10:23 (KJV) - O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.​

"This verse without studying what comes before or after seems to be recognizing the duplicity of audacity for man to think himself able to move forward from day to day without the Father or His Son to guide their lives."
via Guy Siverson

Psalm 37:23 (KJV) - The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord: and he delighteth in his way.​

"What a beautiful verse. If we with our free will choose to become a “good man” by walking in the steps of His guidance the Lord will delight in the steps we take. However, does not this very statement suggest the opposite for those who do not?"
via Guy Siverson
 
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Matthew 16:24-26
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
 
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Dead in the streets ..is cities/towns that have given up on the Bible.

Jesus dies and then comes back.
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Apparently, the only city that did not give up on the bible was Nineveh. Jonah was not to happy about that either if I recall correctly. He complained to God bitterly. He was somewhat of a bible thumper.
 
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tourist said:
Apparently, the only city that did not give up on the bible was Nineveh. Jonah was not too happy about
that either if I recall correctly. He complained to God bitterly. He was somewhat of a bible thumper.
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Nineveh was eventually destroyed 612 B.C. by the Medes, as per the prophet Nahum’s prediction ;)
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Could the two Witnesses of Revelation 11 be the Old an New Testament?


Jesus didn't tell us the Temple is inside us for the fun of it.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17​
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?​
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.​
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If we defile the temple of God ..we have the mark of the beast ..and God will destroy ..JUDGEMENT

Half the world is waiting from some random guy to offer them a mark and the other half want a Sunday Law that already happened.

Are you familiar with the history of the early Roman Catholic Church? Does it sound like something Jesus would support? Did satan have authority of it? Should we question the odd choices the RCC has made(idols, Sabbath to Sunday, a pope position to replace Christ)?

  • little horn = papacy
  • whore of Babylon = churchs' that bow to the papacy
  • false prophet = ? ..why can't it be the spanish inquisition?
I don't think there is a time frame between the second beast and Judgement.

If this stuff already happened ..it would mean the mark is already available. It's always been about God's Law/Love/Word vs the carnal perception.

Two Witnesses of Revelation 11
Fire came out of both mouths ..it was the Word of the Lord
They wore cheap clothing ..it was in reference to the people spreading The Word during persecutions
1260 years is how long the Witnesses Testified
The Two Witnesses are the Old and New Testament
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Hello pittsburghjoe,

The mark of the beast, though it does have to with the RCC and it's pope, has nothing whatsoever to do with observing the Sabbath on Sunday. The Sabbath is under the law, which believers are not under.

As you know, Jesus had John write letters to the seven churches with rebukes and promises for those who overcome. The keeping of the Sabbath is never mentioned in those letters and the word 'Sabbath' is not even listed anywhere in the book of Revelation. You'd think that if keeping the Sabbath on Sunday or any other day, was essential for eternal life, that it would be listed in the letters to the churches. Yet, not one word about it can be found.

The mark of the beast will be a literal object/device located on the hand or forehead, which will be used for buying and selling just as the scripture states. It will replace card swiping/tapping and all other methods of methods of buying and selling. We already have this technology being used in the form of the RFID chip which is being implanted under the skin and is being used to make purchases. This will most likely evolve into something smaller and more applicable in preparation for that coming antichrist/beast.
 
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Hello pittsburghjoe,

The mark of the beast, though it does have to with the RCC and it's pope, has nothing whatsoever to do with observing the Sabbath on Sunday. The Sabbath is under the law, which believers are not under.

As you know, Jesus had John write letters to the seven churches with rebukes and promises for those who overcome. The keeping of the Sabbath is never mentioned in those letters and the word 'Sabbath' is not even listed anywhere in the book of Revelation. You'd think that if keeping the Sabbath on Sunday or any other day, was essential for eternal life, that it would be listed in the letters to the churches. Yet, not one word about it can be found.

The mark of the beast will be a literal object/device located on the hand or forehead, which will be used for buying and selling just as the scripture states. It will replace card swiping/tapping and all other methods of methods of buying and selling. We already have this technology being used in the form of the RFID chip which is being implanted under the skin and is being used to make purchases. This will most likely evolve into something smaller and more applicable in preparation for that coming antichrist/beast.
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Right, John needed to remind us to keep all Ten Commandments
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Biblical Definition of the Mark of the Beast


1 John‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

via @Pilgrimshope
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Revelation 12:11-12
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

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1 Corinthians 3:16-17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

If we defile the temple of God ..we have the mark of the beast ..and God will destroy ..JUDGEMENT
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yes it’s about focusing on repentance and the kingdom of God . If we’re looking at the world through the gospel there are two peoples on earth

Gods children

Satans children

my feeling is the mark represents the children whether of God by the sealing of the holy ghost through belief

and the mark of Satan , to reject the gospel and the repentance it brings and serve sin the world which I’m thinking is the spot of his children as the righteousness of Christ through the gospel is the spot of Gods children

good and evil is ultimately what is going to determine things can we repent from evil and turn to good through faith goven of God through belief of his son

or will we continue to serve the will of the devil in the world lying , deceiving , cheating , gossiping and slandering , arguing and dividing all
The najor sins we as humans do murder , rape , adultery , abuse ect but all
Sin is sin a lie is the language of the devil and his children speak it , the truth the language of God
 
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Ecclesiastes 3:18

I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

via amadeus
 
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