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phil36

phil36

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throughfaith said:
Jesus death begins the new TESTAMENT .
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Of course Jesus innaugurated the New Covenant. But that wasn't what I asked
throughfaith said:
Hebrews 9 .15

G1242 - diatheke

15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new TESTAMENT

2 cor 3.14
14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old TESTAMENT; which vail is done away in Christ.

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Yep, just an older english way of saying New Covenant and Old Covenent.


All Christians believe they are in the New Covenant.
 
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phil36 said:
Of course Jesus innaugurated the New Covenant. But that wasn't what I asked




Yep, just an older english way of saying New Covenant and Old Covenent.


All Christians believe they are in the New Covenant.
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In the sense that were no longer in the old testament.
 
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Guojing said:
Why do you not include OT books like Malachi? Is it written to the church too?
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2tim 3:16
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.

Noticed the word ALL it means in Hebrew and in Greek "ALL"!
 
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Guojing

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CS1 said:
2tim 3:16
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.

Noticed the word ALL it means in Hebrew and in Greek "ALL"!
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Yes, so I wondered why he only mentioned NT.
 
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Guojing

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phil36 said:
Of course Jesus innaugurated the New Covenant. But that wasn't what I asked




Yep, just an older english way of saying New Covenant and Old Covenent.


All Christians believe they are in the New Covenant.
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It’s because many like to be included in the house of Israel and Judah (Hebrews 8:8)
 
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phil36 said:
So your not in the New Covenant?
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He thinks calvinists and arminians are really ne, he thinks there are two covenants or gospels, and he listens to web sites

I think that explains alot
 
phil36

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eternally-gratefull said:
He thinks calvinists and arminians are really ne, he thinks there are two covenants or gospels, and he listens to web sites

I think that explains alot
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Yeah its sad unbiblical teaching.

Mind you I nearly fell of my seat laughing when throughfaith called you a Calvinist lol :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::LOL:
 
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phil36 said:
Yeah its sad unbiblical teaching.

Mind you I nearly fell of my seat laughing when throughfaith called you a Calvinist lol :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::LOL:
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Would you consider EG a dispensationalist?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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phil36 said:
Yeah its sad unbiblical teaching.

Mind you I nearly fell of my seat laughing when throughfaith called you a Calvinist lol :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::LOL:
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he fails to see he is his own worse enemy. I am not sure if he just does not think or if he is programed due to his extreme hatred of what he proves he does not understand. But something is wrong there. Its sad
 
ChosenbyHim

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phil36 said:
Hi Chosenbyhim.


Our Position in Christ does not give license to lead a sinful life.. Aka ''living like the devil''.


V. God doth continue to forgive the sins of those that are justified (o,) and although they can never fall from the state of justification;(p) yet they may, by their sins, fall under God’s fatherly displeasure, and not have the light of His countenance restored unto them, until they humble themselves, confess their sins, beg pardon, and renew their faith and repentance.(q)



(o) Matt. 6:12; I John 1:7, 9; I John 2:1, 2.


(p) Luke 22:32; John 10:28; Heb. 10:14.


(q) Ps. 89:31, 32, 33; Ps. 51:7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12; Ps. 32:5; Matt. 26:75; I Cor. 11:30, 32; Luke 1:20. (WCF)
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Phil36, we understand that we don’t have a license to live in sin. Yet though, whether a person has a license or no license, they are going to sin if that’s what they choose to do.


And yes, living in sin as a believer will bring about the chastisement of our Heavenly Father and the loss of many things in this life, such as joy, peace, assurance and other things. Hence, it is important for us to live holy. Not for salvation, but for rewards.



phil36 said:
Do you see the difference.. Hyper grace say that you can ''live like the devil'' . The bible would say that this person was probably not Justified in the first place. For as Christians Know if we live in sin or sins we DO feel the Fathers displeasure which bring us back to a restored Joy in the Lord. Why is Hyper grace so dangerous - they skirt with antinimianism.


I have to add that some Christians struggle with addictions for years, even a life time, but that is not the same as living in sin ''aka ''like the devil''.
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Well, any Christian out there is capable of living like the devil, i.e. (living in sin). This is because we still have our old sin nature. The only way to ensure that we do not get in such a horrible condition and state is by walking in the Spirit and abiding in Christ.


phil36 said:
Hyper grace is a dangerous theology!
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I don’t think it is. As it simply deals with a possibility for any Christian out there. I once heard a preacher say, you certainly can live how you choose after salvation, but that you cannot get away with it.
 
ChosenbyHim

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Blackpowderduelist said:
Ok cool.
I believe in saved by grace, through faith. A complete and total gift, not of works by any means, except the works of Jesus Christ, which effects righteousness for us. That our works are futile, in effecting grace or salvation however you like to phrase it.
Basically if your faith is in your own works you re just as lost as an unbeliever.
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Amen, our works in no wise affect our salvation. After Salvation, our works earn us rewards, if they are done in the Spirit.
 
ChosenbyHim

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Blackpowderduelist said:
Meritorious works salvationists are the ones issuing a license to sin. That sin being pride and self sufficiency, and idolatrous faith in meritorious works. Turning it's patrons into smug self worshippers who treat people with no compassion, and indifference because they have to get done with this works so they can mount up the next.
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Well Said.
 
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p_rehbein said:
And another important truth to understand is that God does not view His children in regard to their Old Man, but He views them in regard to their New Man. God sees us as Saints since he views us in accordance with our New Nature and our Position in His Son (Jesus Christ). And in our Standing, we are Holy, Just, Pure, godly, and Righteous. Even if we are not living holy, we still are Holy. Due to our Standing and Position in Christ. Even if a Christian is living in sin (aka "living like the devil"), still though, his holy and righteous Standing (New Man, New Creature in Christ) is not affected at all.

Not buying this at all! OSASers mislead many a person with this teaching.

One thing is: When God looks at a person who is "saved," HE SEES THE BLOOD OF JESUS which covers our sinfulness we ALL have as humans in this life.

ANY person "living like the devil" IS NOT A CHRISTIAN! And this teaching is what will cause many a person to be forever surprised to hear Jesus say to them "get thee hence, I never knew you........." And ANYONE who teaches this to people WILL answer for those they lead astray!!!!!!!!!!!!

(my thoughts)
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p_rehbein, if I meet a person who is in sin. And find out he is even involved with other sins of the flesh. I do not automatically judge him as lost. But I do ask him if there was ever a time where he came under conviction as a sinner, and chose to place his faith and trust in Jesus Christ and in His Death, Burial and Resurrection alone for Salvation and if that person says yes. Then I believe that person is saved. Even though he is living like the devil. The problem is there are a lot of Christians out there who do not die to themselves, they do not reckon the Old Man dead, and so they go back to the Old Man, sadly and allow the Old Man to control their life. When they should be crucifying the Old Man and allowing the New Man and Holy Spirit to take control over their lives. The key to a Victorious Christian life is allowing the Holy Ghost and the Holy Scripture to reign and control you. But the Christian has to yield to the Spirt and to the Scripture. because they are not going to force you or override your free will.
 
phil36

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ChosenbyHim said:
Phil36, we understand that we don’t have a license to live in sin. Yet though, whether a person has a license or no license, they are going to sin if that’s what they choose to do.


And yes, living in sin as a believer will bring about the chastisement of our Heavenly Father and the loss of many things in this life, such as joy, peace, assurance and other things. Hence, it is important for us to live holy. Not for salvation, but for rewards..
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I think the Hyper grace movement would disagree with your assessment above. In fact I remember a debate on here where they actually said that christians do not feel the Fathers displeasure as all sin has already been been paid for.



ChosenbyHim said:
,Well, any Christian out there is capable of living like the devil, i.e. (living in sin). This is because we still have our old sin nature. The only way to ensure that we do not get in such a horrible condition and state is by walking in the Spirit and abiding in Christ.
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This is very true, but you missed a very important part in the life of a christian. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness”, I like this phrase it explains it well -

As blood-bought children of God, we do not continue to confess our sin in order to be saved from hell. We confess and repent in order to reestablish an intimate relationship with our Father. We are “positionally righteous” but “practically sinful.”
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Of course Hyper grace movement deny the above because 1 john etc was not written to believers.

ChosenbyHim said:
I don’t think it is. As it simply deals with a possibility for any Christian out there. I once heard a preacher say, you certainly can live how you choose after salvation, but that you cannot get away with it.
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So you see Hyper grace does not '''simply''' deal with a possibility.. It is in grave error on the doctrine of grace.
 
ChosenbyHim

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phil36 said:
I think the Hyper grace movement would disagree with your assessment above. In fact I remember a debate on here where they actually said that christians do not feel the Fathers displeasure as all sin has already been been paid for.
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Well brother, whosoever had made that statement is wrong. Because we certainly can feel and sense that our Heavenly Father is displeased with our conduct when we are sinning.



phil36 said:
This is very true, but you missed a very important part in the life of a christian. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness”, I like this phrase it explains it well -
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Absolutely 1 John 1:9 is part of the Christian walk and life. Yet though, there are Christians out there who may not confess their sins, and as a result, they will be chastened of the Lord. And they could even suffer the sin unto death.


phil36 said:
Of course Hyper grace movement deny the above because 1 john etc was not written to believers.
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1 John 1 was written to believers. It is written to Christians.


phil36 said:
So you see Hyper grace does not '''simply''' deal with a possibility.. It is in grave error on the doctrine of grace.
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The Free Grace teachers and preachers which I follow, brother Phil, do teach about the chastening of the Lord. And that sin in the life of a Christian will cause loss of joy, loss of assurance, loss of peace, loss of health and potentially other things as well. Just not salvation. For our salvation can never be lost.
 
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