Who is the beast that was and is not?

Your whole statement is in error.
1) The Holy Spirit must lead one to understand Revelation as well as the rest of the Scriptures.
2) the Anti-Christ (Man of Lawlessness) is the 2nd beast (False Prophet), not the 1st beast.

And what does all that (including the next 2 paragraphs) have to do with the 7th Trump not being Parallel EXACTLY with the 7th Vial? I think you understood my point about the 4th quarter and the last inning because a 5th grader could have grasped that good sir. So now you are just digging my facts. The 7th Trump can sound 75 days BEFORE the 7th Vial and thus be the Last Trumpet Judgment which brings the LAST WOE, without being the 7th Vial. In other words, is the LAST GAME Parallel with the LAST INNING? Of course, not, that makes no sense, does it? And you know I am correct brother, just admit it and move on. Thus the 7th Trump is blown 75 days before Jesus returns, and Jesus RETURNS (Think the LAST INNING) at the 7th Vial. If you want to call that 6000 years be my guest, it's close, but I am not counting the days per se, but the 7th Trump still sounds 75 days BEFORE the 7th Vial is poured out.

The Universe is 13.7 billion some odd years old, the first day lasted for 9.2 billion years. 7 Stands for COMPLETION as does 10 with God.

I will divide these two because you make a GREAT POINT BELOW, but as per above, the 70th week is indeed 7 years and 2520 days, and the DOTL is God's Wrath and t starts with the Rev. 8 Asteroid strike. Satan has shown this Anti-Christ MAN via Dark Sentences (or whispering unto him) that he needs to CLOAK his going forth or conquerings under this umbrella, when this asteroid Strike, he will strike also, the is why the first 5 seals are all the Anti-Christs COMING ACTIONS and the 6th Seal is God's COMING WRATH, they indeed do parallel exactly. However, you misunderstand Rev. 11s INTENT. It is to show the full 1260 day ministry of the Two-witnesses, thus since they DIE before Jesus returns at the 7th Via they have to also SHOW UP before the Beast who DIES when Jesus returns, unlike the Two-witnesses. Thus the Two-witnesses are the 1335 Blessing, and the Beast comes to power at the 1260 MIDDLE of the Week.

Antiochus was WELCOMED IN unto the Temple by Jason, who tried to Hellenize the Jews leading unto the Maccabean Revolt, therefore he is a TYPE of False Prophet who ruled with Antiochus a TYPE of Anti-Christ and they were together a TYPE of False Prophet and the Anti-Christ TEAM who lived and ruled at the same time, they wee SHADOWS to come. If you read Dan. 9:27 it says HE (Anti-Christ) CAUSES the Sacrifice and Oblation (Tribute) to CEASE. But WHAT TRIBUTE is it? I am going to say that Gabriel/God here is not talking g about an END TIME Profane Meat Sacrifice, why do people even go there? That SAcrifice itself would be DEFILED !! Gabriel and God are speaking about the END TIME Sacrifice which is Jesus Christ being TAKEN AWAY or FORBIDDEN to Worship by the 1/3 of the Jews whom Zechariah in 13:8-9 tells us have already REPENTED by this time, just BEFORE the Zechariah 14:1 coming Day of the Lord. So, the Jews have repented by that time, that is why Elijah is sent back BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord as seen in Malachi 4:5-6.

An End Time High Priest will be the False Prophet who BETRAYS his brother Jewish peoples just like Jason did. He will be appointed the Beast over Religion and told to make all men Worship the Anti-Christ east as god. He will forbid Jesus worship at the 1290, which is 30 days BEFORE the Anti-Christ goes forth Conquering at the 1260, thus the Jews who have already REPENTED will Flee Judea and thus they have 30 days to get to the Mountains of Edom where God will protect them in the Petra area.

The 7th Trump is at the VEY END, your problem is you refuse to listen to anyone else, thus your Rev. 11 can't be at the VERY END even though it is because the ONE CHAPTER lasts the entire 1260 days of the Two-witnesses ministry. TBH, anyone that thinks the 7th Tump is at the very end needs to start all over again, people are going to guffaw at that, it makes absolutely no sense at all. That is why everyone disagrees with you. When u get an idea in your head TRY THE SPIRITS good sir. It's OK to har wrongly, TRY THE SPIRITS, do you think that Satan is not going to try and lie to you? He does us all, we have to try the spirits daily, then he will flee from you.

The AoD happens 30 days BEFORE the First Trump which is the Asteroid Strike as seen in Rev. 8. The 7th Trump happens NOWHERE near the Middle of the week you are VERY, VERY Confused sir.

Of course not, you think the 7th Trump happens in the Middle, how can you agree with ANYONE?

This first Trump is the FIRE that comes in ahead of the Asteroid Strike as Scientists says always happens first. The 2nd Trump is the Asteroid Stike that takes out 1/3 of this earth basically, I think it strikes in the Sea just off the California Coastline. The 3rd Trump is just God telling us this will cause a NUCLEAR LIKE FALLOUT (Wormwood). It's the exact same Asteroid impact. The 4th Trump is the Sun and Moon going dark because of all the smoke in the jet streams that get carried around the globe, the moon turning red is the GLAZE or HUE that comes from all the fires.

Rev. 12, 13, 17, and 18 all start with this Asteroid Impact and the Anti-Christ coming to power, It's ON YOU that you can't grasp this.

This Event starts in the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK at the 1260.........anyone could tell you that. Your problem is you think you have it all figured out, but you have nothing figured out because you were not called to End Time Eschatology sir, you are a foot trying to be a hand instead of what God called you unto, because you clearly do not understand End Time Events.

What you miss, your fatal mistake s you DEMAND the Book of Revelation is in Chronological Order, but it isn't, so you have NO SHOT at ever understanding it my friend.

WRONG..........

The 7th Trump is at the VEY END, your problem is you refuse to listen to anyone else I certainly won't listen to error. The 7th trumpet comes just before the division point of the week - when those in Judea flee. My friend, that is at the midpoint, not the end.

You and I will continue to disagree because we read these scriptures differently.

Why do you say that (2) can you show us scripture to prove that? Most of the Evangelical church world things the man of sin becomes the FIRST beast.

Paul's man of sin is Revelation's false prophet:


Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received
the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Here we read of the second beast, who performs miracles in the sight of the first beast and performing those miracles in order to deceive the people!

Paul's Antichrist was called the man of sin and he is described as doing the same things for the same reason as the false prophet:

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

Lying wonders is the same as deceiving miracles.

False prophet and the man of sin are the same person, the Antichrist.





Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

These horns are little horns of a young lamb which is a direct reference to the little horn Daniel wrote of who is also the one we know as the Antichrist.

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The little horn of Daniel is commonly believed to be the AC John wrote about and in Revelation there is a person with two little horns who appears after the ten horned beast just as the little horn in Daniel appears after the ten horned beast. Clearly the same person is in mind here.


Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. Little horn is the antichrist.
Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. False prophet is the antichrist.

The man of lawlessness exalts himself against every other god. Takes seat in the temple. Performs false miracles and creates false belief. He is a man of religion.

the 2nd beast has to do with worshipping of an image and false signs and wonders and again false belief. Man of religion.

False prophet. they names implies a man of religion. again this one does signs to deceive and worship of an image.

1st beast sounds more like a governmental authority. This beast makes war, slays with the sword, has royal authority. But he works with the man of religion (man of sin) and so must also be religious.

What can I say about most of the evangelical world. They are scattered and fragmented all about. They cannot agree on many things: speaking in tongues, baptism, calvinism, apostles, prophets, church membership, feet washing, politics, lent, eschatology, ecclesiology... so many things. Where do you think this comes from? This comes from the false prophet (the man of lawlessness) who hides in plain sight.

The first beast is a large empire composed of ten smaller kingdoms spread throughout 7 areas of land (mountains).

You are correct that the false prophet is the man of sin, the Antichrist.

Did you notice that the False Prophet could only perform those miracles only when in sight of the first Beast ?

13:14 "those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; " Why is this? I believe because the real power behind the miracles is Satan himself, and Satan at this time has possessed the first beast and is inside his body. So Satan has to be in close proximity to the False Prophet to create those false miracles. This is why I think the first beast is the Beast mentioned in Rev 19:19 & 20:4.

It doesn't say that. It only said the FP did them in the sight of the first beast not that he could only do it in the sight of the first beast.

You are right: so lets go with that: He did his miracles IN SIGHT of the first beast. There must be a reason why. I think I know the reason. You may have a different reason.

So we agree, more or less on these points, thanks buddy!

I'm sure it's going to be different. The first beast is a global empire composed of ten kingdoms spread throughout 7 areas of the Earth so anything the FP does is in sight of that.

Kolistus, I'm not sure about all your questions; it's a difficult subject. My personal belief is the 7th head, the one who would remain only a short time, was Hitler. Revelation 17:11 seems to unite the the beast that was and is not with the 8th head: "As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction." In my opinion, the 8th head, the Antichrist, will be a "reincarnation"—for lack of a better word—of Hitler.

Hitler hated Jews and (true) Christians. He replaced the churches in Germany with his own religion—German Christians— based on worship of himself and loyalty to the state not God. He claimed Jesus wasn't Jewish but an Aryan. I believe Hitler was simply a trial run for what the Antichrist will look like, only much, much worse.

Read it this way: there are seven mountains...and there are seven kings.
Mountains here are nations or empires, each with a king or leader.

Five of these kings have fallen. Some people guess Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece as the five that have come and gone. Each in their turn controlled the land of Israel.

Congratulations, you NAILED IT! Jerusalem is indeed "Mystery Babylon."

Why? Because the Beast and False Prophet will deceive the WHOLE WORLD from that city.

That's impossible.


First, all 7 heads exist at the same time. There is no such thing as a head existing less than others.

Second, the heads are mountains which means areas of land where a horn/kingdom exists. That means the heads have always existed because the land where humans live for the most part has always been there.

Hitler isn't any of the kings mentioned in Revelation either. There are two sets of kings mentioned. One set are ten kings who all exist at the same time and rule with the AC for 42 months. The second set are kings of sequential kingdoms through history. The 7th king/kingdom will exist for the Great Tribulation and there is a mysterious 8th who is of the 7th.

None of these kings are any of the 7 heads/mountains that comprises the area of land ruled by the first beast and the ten kings/kingdoms within that area.




Revelation 17:11 seems to unite the the beast that was and is not with the 8th head: "As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction." In my opinion, the 8th head, the Antichrist, will be a "reincarnation"—for lack of a better word—of Hitler.

Hitler hated Jews and (true) Christians. He replaced the churches in Germany with his own religion—German Christians— based on worship of himself and loyalty to the state not God. He claimed Jesus wasn't Jewish but an Aryan. I believe Hitler was simply a trial run for what the Antichrist will look like, only much, much worse.

If this was correct then John would have seen a beast with 2 heads and ten horns. Instead, the beast has all 7 heads perfectly intact plus he sees ten horns and the ten horns remain the entire time the beast is ruling which means 3 horns aren't plucked up like in Daniel's vision.

First, all 7 heads exist at the same time. Why then does John tells us that five of them have fallen?