Who is right—Paul, David, or are they both right?

Yeah much of David’s writings are prophetic about Christ based on what he’s saying I suppose

again who said it’s abolished ? And what would that even actually Mean ? It’s obviously still in the world in every Bible so it’s not as if it doesn’t exist Anymore I’m not understanding why you are arguing that it’s not abolished ? What do you mean by abolished ?

what I’m saying is the law of
Moses is a curse for those who try worshipping by it now

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m also saying is baptism is the means that removes the Christian from the law it doesn’t abolish the law, it saves them from the condemnation of the law upon the world for sin

“Know ye not, brethren, how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;

that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:1, 4-6‬ ‭

under the law everyone is dead because all Have sinned , so baptism is about dying with Christ to the law in order to remove its grip on us

do you see there how Paul’s explaining the motions of sin are by the law ?

“What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence.

For without the law sin was dead.

For I was alive without the law once:

but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:7-11‬ ‭


Because sin is in our nature . A law that demands holy flesh doesn’t work for us it only ends up condemning us because the law says of you perfectly keep every single thing you’ll be blessed but if you break even a single point of it you will surely be cursed and die

there’s no adjustments to
Moses words once he died it’s forever unchanged he’s the testator of e covenant . So Like a will when e testator of the will dies whatever his will says is unchangeable by any authority

in order to save man from the laws condemnation we have to be baptized into death for our sins it doesn’t eliminate the law from the world it removes us from the damnation of the law upon every sin and every sinner

there’s no salvation in the law it’s only meant to lead us to Jesus and his word it’s always been the story not only david but every prophet has spoken of the gospel

It’s not Moses law we need it’s the word of Christ the messiah like Moses himself foretold in his book Deuteronomy 18:15-19

“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:19-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Do you notice it’s not about the covenant made at Sinai through the law of Moses ? But The covenant made beforehand with Abraham ? Before Moses law existed at all about 430 years before the covenant was made through Moses with Israel’s children by thier law

it’s not about the covenant between God and israel Made on Mount Sinai when the law was given to them it’s not that law , that mediator that priesthood or that people it’s a new covenant , new mediator , new law , new people , new heaven and earth

a lot of the gospel is based on David’s life , David’s prayers , David’s blessings and David’s understanding and relationship with God, the entire ot is prophetic about Christ is my own opinion in various ways

but it’s just my thinking bro not meant to attack you or anything it’s just what scripture says that a baptized believer has died to the law through Christ and. Now Belong to him in the gospel the eternal
Word of God

“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23, 25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

even Moses knew Christs word would take precedence and stand forever when he came as David and all
The prophets foretold And spoke of

Scripture does not say that God changed in any way, the same God who is told of in the old testament is the same God that is in the new testament not a new God. In the gospels it even tells us this is so.

This post is not about all of David's writings, it is speaking of the 119th Psalm.

Wrong! God gives us His Holy Spirit. By His guidance we know how to live.

David was a prophet is my point ,the Holy Ghost is a witness of Christ David had the Holy Ghost and spoke from it the same things in the gospel not in one quote but his writings because he is a prophet like all the prophets

So for instance David isn’t speaking about Moses law here he’s asking God to teach him his ways he already knew the law of Moses .


“Shew me thy ways, O Lord; teach me thy paths. Lead me in thy truth, and teach me:

for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day. Remember, O Lord, thy tender mercies and thy lovingkindnesses; for they have been ever of old.

Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O Lord. Good and upright is the Lord: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.

The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.

All the paths of the Lord are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.

For thy name's sake, O Lord, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.

The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭25:4-11, 14‬ ‭

that’s not about Moses law at all I would think you since you are promoting the law , would know the law demands no pity on sinners , asks for no repentance from a sinner but rather demands thier execution by the others so David is not possibly asking God to teach him the law Moses

my point is people like David always had the Holy Spirit and the gospel in his heart and conscience ,he’s speaking prophetically about the gospel not Moses law .

David is constantly asking God to teach him his ways , to renew a good spirit in him , to pardon his sins , to strengthen him and make him able to walk in the judgements of God ,

that’s what the gospel is God teaching man his ways , judgements , teaching us to accept and believe the son of God and his word , renewing our spirit like David asked him , strengthening us and making us able to walk upright like David asked him

A really clear point is this , this is not how God actually is to a sinner

“And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

...And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭15:32, 35-36‬ ‭

that is not the truth about our God and how he deals with sinners , it was the state of things in those days he stayed hidden in a dark cloud and commanded they stay away from him and not see him there’s a veil over our eyes when we’re looking at that testament it’s not how he is . He’s exactly like Jesus showed and taught


We can’t ever know God through Moses law , we can only know him by the gospel and the revelation of himself in Christ it’s sort of the whole point of the Bible there’s no other way but to accept the gospel because the law has shown us all sinners

“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The subject of the law being applicable to Christians is settled clearly by the apostles it’s not Christian doctrine to teach Christians that they need to keep Moses law here’s the proof and the portion of a letter the congregation of apostles sent as church doctrine

“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

And they wrote letters by them after this manner;

The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:5-6, 23-24, 28-29‬ ‭

The law of Moses isn’t our law it’s different entirely can’t help us it’s a burden and curse

based on the fact that he was a prophet

“Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:29-30‬ ‭

David was a prophet is what I base it on so for instance same reason I know this is prophetic even though Luke doesn’t record Peter saying it David was a prophet all the psalms are prophetic brother so then this is about Christ

“Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭2:6-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s prophecy in basing it in that principle or again no one says it specifically but again it’s prophecy about Jesus

“My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.

I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭22:1, 7-8, 14, 16, 18‬ ‭

do you see what principle ? So since you want to look at 119 in a vacuum here’s again the same point David isn’t talking about something he already knows he’s asking and looking forward to being taught the lords ways and judgements same as the other

“I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.

I have declared my ways, and thou heardest me: teach me thy statutes. Make me to understand the way of thy precepts: so shall I talk of thy wondrous works.

My soul melteth for heaviness: strengthen thou me according unto thy word.

Remove from me the way of lying: and grant me thy law graciously.

I have chosen the way of truth: thy judgments have I laid before me. I have stuck unto thy testimonies: O Lord, put me not to shame.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭119:7, 26-

I’m not wanting to just argue but that principle do you see how if it’s the law of Moses David wouldn’t be asking to be taught and learn and saying whe. He learned his judgements he would be full of praise ? David was a prophet he was talking about this law

It’s a word of faith that is spoken before it came

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.

My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people;

the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.”
‭‭Micah‬ ‭4:2‬ ‭

it’s all prophetic brother I’m not sure why psalm 119 wouldn’t be given David is a prophet but it’s just my own opinion I’m no one important or in any authority just a person discussing scripture in a forum .

if you are asking is there any scripture that specifically says it’s prophetic no , but that’s true of more prophecy than not especially the psalms . David was waiting on the promise and already had the holy spirit because of repentance

but brother genesis holds prophecy of Christ all the way through to revelation he is the word of God is the principle I think is why I’m sure 119 as all the psalms are prophetic

Christ is how we know him believing the gospel

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

israel Also thought that e law was the way to know God , but then when he came and dwelt with them , they rejected and crucified him according to thier law .

It seems as if the law is more of a blinder to God like looking at him far away and in terror as the thunder and lightning and trumpets sound louder being commanded stay away or die

Like this

“And be ready against the third day: for the third day the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai. And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death: There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.

And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.

And the Lord said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the Lord to gaze, and many of them perish.

And Moses said unto the Lord, The people cannot come up to mount Sinai: for thou chargedst us, saying, Set bounds about the mount, and sanctify it. And the Lord said unto him, Away, get thee down, and thou shalt come up, thou, and Aaron with thee: but let not the priests and the people break through to come up unto the Lord, lest he break forth upon them.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭19:11-13, 16-17, 21, 23-24‬ ‭

but the gospel is like this so we can actually know the lord

“And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:1-2‬ ‭

“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:27-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they came to hear his word because they believed

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and they understood he wasn’t condemning and casting sinners aside he was loving them and embracing them and healing thier lives and calling them to follow after him in faith that’s not what the law ever did it was like a sledgehammer hanging over a sinner and the moment they sinned it dropped Christ came for the sinners to save us from our sins teaching us the truth and dying for our sins

Paul wrote of David...

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
(Rom 4:6-8)

Besides the law wasn't abolished, but we died to the law in the death of Christ...

Or do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress. Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.
(Rom 7:1-4)

Of course David and Paul harmonize one another. How could they not? We don't have any man of God teaching against any other man of God in the Bible. If "we" see a "contradiction" then that problem is only with "us" - NOT the men of God in the Bible. We read and understand the Bible until it harmonize with itself and it does. So be it.

Again, WROPNG you say. Scripture says the Holy Spirit teaches us the law. John 14:26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.

You set yourself up as completely self righteous, but the Lord actually is the authority, not you. The lord tells us that He is the judge, you are not the high judge of all things. You have opinions like all the rest of the people who post.

The words are there in black and white, but for some reason, you don't see them.

The Holy Spirit will teach and remind us of all that Jesus has told us. Did Jesus give the law? No; Moses did!

Whatever. When you get tired of making personal attacks, you might open your mind to understanding Scripture.

amen the law was always designed to give all authority to Christ when he came it’s reign was only until Christ came into the world

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so christ is the dividing point of the two covenant laws the law was to be preached until the appointed time of the gospel came

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


it’s not as if the law is gone and now we’re lawless we have the gospel of the kingdom to believe and be saved

when we are baptized it takes us out of the law but into the gospel by the resurrection. The word of life is now our law

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth

and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

baptism is important because it fulfills the requirement of death for sin and removes the condemnation of the prior covenant law

But as baptism removes us from the law , belief of the gospel redeems our judgement and understanding of God before the law came by sin

The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 1 Corinthians 2:15

Including yourself.

The bible mostly explains itself.

1 Timothy 1 "…7They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or that which they so confidently assert. 8Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. 9We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers,…"


Galatians 3 "23Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.…"

Christians are now subject to the law of the Spirit of Life. It's not written on stone but in our hearts. It's Lord Jesus leading us by His Holy Spirit. David did not know the indwelling Holy Spirit as Christians do. And his praise and admiration of God's law did not stop him from adultery and murder.

Not so. We have the indwelling Holy Spirit to lead us by conscience and intuition. We do need the Bible to instruct us, but the law only brings condemnation. Christians are now subject to the law of the Spirit of Life, not the law of sin and death (for example, 2 Corinthians 3:6)

Galatians 3:23-25

David did have the presence of God the Holy Spirit

“Cast me not away from thy presence;

and take not thy holy spirit from me.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭51:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He said this in psalm 51 which is a true model for a sinners prayer of repentance . In fact the judges were models filled with the Holy Spirit even way back then God would always choose one person full then with the Holy Ghost and raise up his people , the.

The man would die and the people would then go back to other gods and sinful lives , then God would crush them then they would repent , then again he would raise up a judge with the Holy Spirit to restore the people

The Holy Ghost has always been there and in much smaller measure was given to individual Men through the ot to lead his people. After the judges the prophets and eventually Christ came to distribute it equally to all the world to anyone who believes

now we don’t have to go through a judge , or a prophet because we have the Holy Spirit ourselves like Elijah did , or David did , or many men of the Bible had in the Old Testament God has always worked by his spirit through man

the gospel is the inclusion of qll
People of the earth into the kingdom receiving the spirit through accepting and believing the gospel of the kingdom that offers the Holy Spirit to anyone and everyone who believes

David’s life his breaking of Gods law and his repentance and prayers together with the mercy he received and close relationship with God all
The promises God made to David shape our covenant and become a model for the new covenant

our covenant actually offers us what David received and is the everlasting covenant he makes with believers throughout the world of all nations who repent and believe the gospel

“Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the Lord thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.

Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:3-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

repenting and believing the gospel Jesus preached is where the Holy Spirit is found so we can begin to understand God and his truth and repent and be saved

I think you create a false dichotomy here when you fail to understand all of David's writing. He also writes that God does not delight in sacrifices, but also does delight in mercy.

We also have God's nature (the living law) written on our hearts.

Romans 5:5 (KJV) And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1 Thessalonians 4:9 (KJV) But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

I am amazed at you! I really think you are trying to cover up who you really are, I think you are much nicer than your posts make you out to be.