The Trinity Doctrine in the Bible

I don’t believe in Sola scriptura so I don’t have to prove everything from the Bible. Mary has a body in Revelation. If she were spirit only, she wouldn’t have a body.

Wait a second, if the woman in in Revelation 12 is Mary how is it that she has birth pangs? In Roman theology she remained a virgin and this is not possible if she is having birth pangs so that doesn't work does it? What the woman represents is an idealized Israel and is often described in as a woman in travail. cf Isa 54:1; 2 Esdr 10:7; Gal 4:26.

Where does the belief in the trinity come from?
We have seen how that, throughout the Bible God is only described as being one being. We have seen how that Jesus and the early followers of Christ also believed this and clearly taught it. So where and how has this view of the trinity come from?

Our history books show us that the belief comes from a creed called the Athinasian creed. It was published and imposed in the fourth century after Christ died, about 300 years after Jesus walked the earth. The Romans used this creed when they changed from being Pagans to so called Christians and this Creed is still used in Churches around us today and is the basis of The Roman Catholic faith and the basis of the other faiths who have split from the Catholics. Here is a quote from it:

Now we notice that none of this is backed up by scripture, the true word of God. Surly any true follower of God would have written in the relevant passages so that everyone could understand and know why this creed had to be obeyed. But there is not one.

The belief in the trinity is showed by nearly all history books to of been put in place after the early apostles and therefore is admitted to not of been what the early Christians believed. In a historical book called “The Doctrine of the trinity” by a Mr. P.E.White (who is a Catholic) we read this:

Sadly we feel that he is speaking truth. But why do so many follow after the belief of the Trinity? The answer is simple. They do not check it for themselves with what the Bible teaches. Consider Jesus Christ’s words:

So it is to the Bible we must turn, and when we do, we do not find any evidence to suggest that God is made up of three beings.

Birthpangs only prove she was pregnant not whether she was a virgin or not.

You are attempting to trap me in admitting something that you believe supports the Trinity, but it does not.

All 3 are God ... BUT that does NOT prove the Trinity in ANY way.

They are 3 aspects/characteristics of God, NOT 3 'DISTINCT' entities/persons that also happen to be one god - as the Trinity doctrine claims.


Me, myself and I are ALL ME ... BUT here is what so many are NOT grasping:

All 3 aspects of myself 'ARE' all me. They are NOT Distinct persons within myself.


Me 'IS' myself, ... myself 'IS' I ... and I 'IS' me.

You see? This in NO WAY supports the Trinity doctrine.

The Father 'IS' the Son.

"... he that hath seen Me, hath seen the Father; ..." (Jesus speaking: John 14:9)

The Son 'IS' the Father.

"I and the Father are one." (Jesus speaking: John 10:30)

Further, many worshiped Jesus while he lived in the flesh and He did not tell them to stop, confirming His acceptance to them that He WAS God.

John 1:1-4 further proves that they are ONE, and NOT separate beings or persons. They are ONE.

And, again, there is no mention whatsoever of any 3rd member of their one-ness.

Modalism; That's what you are promoting.

He didn't inhabit space and time until He was born in the flesh. Therefore He didn't
inhabit the world WHILE He was creating it, His physical body did not exist yet.

Modalism seems to be making a return as of late. With non teachers like Steven Furdic espousing this view I'm sure it will continue to grow, and become another branch of the great apostasy

Your claim was:

The Father does now, and always has, existed OUTSIDE of time and space (i.e. matter).
For He created them. Therefore, the Creator cannot originate, or exist, within His creation.

And you have been proven wrong. Man up.

Also, you place limits on God that are nowhere expressed in the Bible. Shame on you.

That's not what that means in Roman theology. How do I say this delicately, and do allow me some rope: In order to remain a virgin certain "parts" need to remain in place that would be torn in order for a child to be birthed in a natural way. That's why you have Roman Apologists insist that Mary's pregnancy with our Lord did not result in any birth pangs.

Jesus being the fullnes of God said, " I do what I hear my father say" , "and also I must go but I will send the Holy Spirit."

Jesus make distinction between himself and the Father many times when he teaches. And he also speaks of the Holy Spirit in a distinctive way.
He doesn't say I will come back as an inhabiting Spirit, but I will send the Holy Spirit.
I'm not going to suggest that Jesus was being dishonest or didn't know what he was say nor that he purposefully obfuscated the relationship between himself, the Father, or the Holy Spirit. This impunes the integrity of Jesus.

I'm defending and teaching the ONENESS of God - just as scripture states over and over. God is not a 3-person being like one of the many Pagan religions of old.

Everything I present is backed by scripture. You may call it whatever you like.

If you don't like the idea that God is One, as the Bible states repeatedly, then you don't like the God of the Bible.

Clearly you worship a Trinitarian god.

Moralism was dispelled by the same counsil that canonized the bible also radified the Athanasius creed, the Nicaean creed. Casting shade on their work casts shade on the bible itself.

Jesus said, " I do what I hear my Father say". That is distinction.
He also said, I must Go, I will SEND the Holy Spirit. This is also distinction. And the teaching of Jesus in spirit and truth, not deceptive and dishonest. You make Jesus into a liar, or a fool who doesn't know what he is saying. Sorry the counsel of nicaea that canonized the Bible also adopted the nicaean creed and the Athanasius creed. Where they heritics and the bible a farse, or were they true and the creeds also true teaching?