Catholics are the "new Black" (and related concerns)

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this is not true...

it is propaganda.. just like what was launched against Trump by haters and those who do not put truth first
I was a catholic for the frist 20 years of my life.. I was an altar boy for 10 years and i still have a uncle who is a catholic priest... You can fool people who have had no experience with catholic doctrines and catholic preaching.. But don't think you can fool me..
 

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yes, there are scriptures in the Bible in reference to a place of purgation that happens after death if a person is not bad enough for Hell but not pure enough for Heaven where (as Revelation says) "no unclean thing will enter"

I think of 1 Cor 3:13 (I think that is the right psg) where it says that if a man's work is.. I'll use the word Insufficient, his work may fail but he himself will be saved, yet as through fire..

and there is Mt 18:23..
The fire in that scriptures means His good works will not count for anything.. Meaning He will be Saved because he believed Jesus and trusted in the Atonement But he will not be called great in the kingdom of heaven, he will be called least in the kingdom of heaven because he either failed in shining the light of salvation well as He should have or believed in and promoted doctrines not in alignment with scripture..

His Works are burned.. He does not get burned..
 

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Someone once said that the last surviving acceptable prejudice is anti-Catholicism, which I tend to agree with.
Being anti-Catholic isn't prejudice. Everyone knows what they teach and what they're about. If someone was anti-Catholic beforehand, without knowledge or facts then that would be prejudice.
 

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Catholic monks studied scripture for years and I have no doubt they learned much. Unfortunately they arnt the ones writing doctrine. Pope as Christ on earth, Mary as co-redeemer, are two of many and both are blasphemy. God gave us free will and we all have a choice. Redemption or hell.
 

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I was a catholic for the frist 20 years of my life.. I was an altar boy for 10 years and i still have a uncle who is a catholic priest... You can fool people who have had no experience with catholic doctrines and catholic preaching.. But don't think you can fool me..
no, what isfalse is false and I have said what wasfalse. Just because u are an altar boy does not mean you know much about Catholicism

plus, there is this:

Those who throw the baby out with the bathwater... um... my own policy RE those kind is.. well, I'm rather at a loss for words but you probably don't want to hear it anyway...
 

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Catholic monks studied scripture for years and I have no doubt they learned much. Unfortunately they arnt the ones writing doctrine. Pope as Christ on earth, Mary as co-redeemer, are two of many and both are blasphemy. God gave us free will and we all have a choice. Redemption or hell.
like I said

People should focus on what is REALLY egregious in the Church (any chuch, btw) not what is SAID to be wrong by... whomever.

I notice that generally speaking Protestants focus on things "wrong" with the Church that are NOT egregious or even wrong in any way, while ignoring the HUGE elephant in the room..
 

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Being anti-Catholic isn't prejudice. Everyone knows what they teach and what they're about. If someone was anti-Catholic beforehand, without knowledge or facts then that would be prejudice.
you should have said being anti Cahtolic is not NECESSARILY prejudice.

I have met MANY Protestants who reject not only Catholicism but Catholics. THAT is prejudice

then there are Catholics who are discriminated against and persecuted. THAT is prejudice and it needs to stop. Blacks are not the only ones.. gays are not the only ones who should be protected from hateful actions... .

I myself, as stated numerous times b4, have issues with the Catholic Church. But I.. unlike many others.. KNOW the faith. You cannot know the Catholic faith well simply by going to Mass on Sunday or (and/or) being, as one person said, an altar boy. You have to delve into history and the teachings of Aquinas and others...
 

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You dont have to justify being catholic to anyone. But saying there are no alternatives is false. I know at least two churches within 15 minutes of me that preach Christ crucified and hell is hot. There is also St. Patricks here and i went to mass a few times. Got there early once and saw the priest leading a group doing the hail Mary chants. Looked like something out of Indiana Jones. Last time i will every darken the doorway of a catholic church.
 

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The fire in that scriptures means His good works will not count for anything.. Meaning He will be Saved because he believed Jesus and trusted in the Atonement But he will not be called great in the kingdom of heaven, he will be called least in the kingdom of heaven because he either failed in shining the light of salvation well as He should have or believed in and promoted doctrines not in alignment with scripture..

His Works are burned.. He does not get burned..
well, u are entitled to interpret scripture as you please. That means you have chosen to be your own pope. That also means that everyone else is also his or her own pope

but t hat is not how Jesus set up His Church. He set it up to have ONE human head or leader which was first St Peter and then the other popes. Yes, i know... other popes were not exactly in the mold of St Peter, to say the least. So sometimes we kind of have to be "our own pope" in the sense that we have to figure out what is true and separate the truth from all the falsehoods ubiquitous in the world...

So... that being the case, my opinion on whatthat scripture means is just as important and valid as yours.

And I prefer my own opinion so called. The passage clearly says that the man's WORK will burn yet he hmself will be saved YET AS THROUGH FIRE

As one canonized saint has said: The same fire that burns the damned purges the saved.. (may notbe exact words but almost)
 

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canonized saint meaning a twister of the scriptures that the false catholic religion is in league with and approves..

All real Christians are Saints.. They do not need some papal hierarchy approval to be deemed Saints..

It really is sad to hear you are a convert to the evil religion of catholism.. But you are responsible for your own dealing with the Gospel.. I hope the moderators keep a very close eye on you and prevent you from preaching the false doctrines of the catholic religion on this forum..
 

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you should have said being anti Cahtolic is not NECESSARILY prejudice.

I have met MANY Protestants who reject not only Catholicism but Catholics. THAT is prejudice

then there are Catholics who are discriminated against and persecuted. THAT is prejudice and it needs to stop. Blacks are not the only ones.. gays are not the only ones who should be protected from hateful actions... .

I myself, as stated numerous times b4, have issues with the Catholic Church. But I.. unlike many others.. KNOW the faith. You cannot know the Catholic faith well simply by going to Mass on Sunday or (and/or) being, as one person said, an altar boy. You have to delve into history and the teachings of Aquinas and others...
Well, no one should be persecuted, especially by Christians. But it's not prejudice to reject "Catholicism"; we should reject false doctrine. But I agree, people who are Catholic shouldn't be rejected simply because they're Catholic, that would be prejudice.
 
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I don’t get the Catholic bashing. I’m a Southern Baptist myself, but I sometimes go to Catholic Churches for prayer. It’s something with those churches that I feel good about.
 

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canonized saint meaning a twister of the scriptures that the false catholic religion is in league with and approves..

All real Christians are Saints.. They do not need some papal hierarchy approval to be deemed Saints..

It really is sad to hear you are a convert to the evil religion of catholism.. But you are responsible for your own dealing with the Gospel.. I hope the moderators keep a very close eye on you and prevent you from preaching the false doctrines of the catholic religion on this forum..
oh, so you are one of those pro censorship people

anyone who disagrees w/ you should be banned to Siberia or something
 

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Well, no one should be persecuted, especially by Christians. But it's not prejudice to reject "Catholicism"; we should reject false doctrine. But I agree, people who are Catholic shouldn't be rejected simply because they're Catholic, that would be prejudice.
In my experiences w/ Protestants, they NEVER or very rarely give me a particular doctrine Catholics believe that they do not

reminds me of the Trump bashing stuff... never any substantial charge against him... it's all just We don't like him... He didn't have a perfect past life (as if they did)
 

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I don’t get the Catholic bashing. I’m a Southern Baptist myself, but I sometimes go to Catholic Churches for prayer. It’s something with those churches that I feel good about.
hey, i used to go to Baptist churches... I liked them best.

of course there aredifferent kinds of Baptist. I don't agree with the ones who disbelieve in free will.
 

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In my experiences w/ Protestants, they NEVER or very rarely give me a particular doctrine Catholics believe that they do not

reminds me of the Trump bashing stuff... never any substantial charge against him... it's all just We don't like him... He didn't have a perfect past life (as if they did)
Pope being the vicar of Christ, Mary being a co-redeemer along with Christ. Cannonized saints hearing your prayers so they can intercede for you. There is some for you.
 

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Pope being the vicar of Christ, Mary being a co-redeemer along with Christ. Cannonized saints hearing your prayers so they can intercede for you. There is some for you.
I have had numerous interesting things happen praying to a particular saint.. Everyone in God's Kngdom has a role to play..

Jesus is theSavior

the saints are his Friends.

Idon't seethe problem

And I could respond to other things u have brought up but right now, I am running out of time..
 

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Oh, the vicar ofChrist

Well, Jesus chose Peter as the first human head of the Church on Earth

thou art Peter and on this rock, I will build My Church ... Mt 1618

if u study the early Church fathers, some of whom knew the Apostles, you will find Eucharist... Real Presence... all theCatholic stuff..

I'm running out of time
 

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You wanted examples of catholic doctrine that christians dont agree with. You said christians never gave any. I gave a few. Thats all.