Daniel 11:37, The Future Antichrist Will Be A Jew/Hebrew In Decent

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OrphanedRepublican said:
I'm weary of answering foolish questions and never having my very simple, straight forward question answered.

If you deny Jesus is the chief messenger of his own glorious, life-giving and sustaining word that quickens us and saves us, and to whom he will share credit with no other, then you deny the Lord Jesus is even our savior.
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You've deflected my questions and haven't provided any scriptures to substantiate your claims.

If you have verses, show them, otherwise your claims are debunked by the Hebrews 1 scriptures I showed you.

On contrary, it is not I who has an issue with the Godhood of Jesus and His status as my savior, but making Him out to be Michael the archangel demonstrates you have no idea who you're believing in. This is very important. You need to recognize Jesus is God.
 
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OK, it looks like a bit of doubt exists concerning your prediction of a Jew being the antichrist. hmm.
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It appears you're having a hard time dealing with the truth of Gods words below :)

(Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples (God Of His Fathers)

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
 
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It appears you're having a hard time dealing with the truth of Gods words below :)

(Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples (God Of His Fathers)

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
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Tell me then,
And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority.
(Rev 13:1-2)

Sea usually refers to nations, whereas land refers to Israel. (IOW the False Prophet might be Jewish).
Who and what are the ten horns and seven heads of this 'Jewish beast'? (usually they refer to kingdoms).
How is he like a leopard, bear, and lion? (These are usual significations of ruling nations).

Now are you still going to stick with your false prediction that the AC is Jewish?
 
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Tell me then,
And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority.
(Rev 13:1-2)

Sea usually refers to nations, whereas land refers to Israel. (IOW the False Prophet might be Jewish).
Who and what are the ten horns and seven heads of this 'Jewish beast'? (usually they refer to kingdoms).
How is he like a leopard, bear, and lion? (These are usual significations of ruling nations).

Now are you still going to stick with your false prediction that the AC is Jewish?
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There Is No Guess Work Below, The Scripture Is Self Explanatory That You Reject, Its That Simple :giggle:

It appears you're having a hard time dealing with the truth of Gods words below :)

(Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel 11:37 Below Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples (God Of His Fathers)

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
There Is No Guess Work Below, The Scripture Is Self Explanatory That You Reject, Its That Simple :giggle:

It appears you're having a hard time dealing with the truth of Gods words below :)

(Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel 11:37 Below Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples (God Of His Fathers)

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
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"nor regard any God" Dan 11:37. Do you think the Jews will go so far as to enter into a covenant with one who denies God altogether?
 
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Someone posting in here argued against the notion that the Lord Jesus is an angel and that perhaps it is a "demotion" of sorts to view him that way. My understanding that Michael, the Archangel is the Lord Jesus is solid. I cannot see it any other way.

But, interestingly, to the point of Jesus NOT being an "angel," I came upon these events in my study of Daniel today: (I'm cutting/pasting KJV scripture exactly and highlighting the point I wish to make.) Consider it, if you will.

Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire.

27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
 
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OrphanedRepublican said:
Someone posting in here argued against the notion that the Lord Jesus is an angel and that perhaps it is a "demotion" of sorts to view him that way. My understanding that Michael, the Archangel is the Lord Jesus is solid. I cannot see it any other way.

But, interestingly, to the point of Jesus NOT being an "angel," I came upon these events in my study of Daniel today: (I'm cutting/pasting KJV scripture exactly and highlighting the point I wish to make.) Consider it, if you will.

Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire.

27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
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Nebuchadnezzar spoke the words "Sent His Angel" in Daniel 3:28

Was he a Prophet of God, "No" he was a pagan heathen King
 
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posthuman said:
She's not JW

JWs think Michael traded places with Christ on the cross.
She thinks Michael is a Christophany, like Melchizadek and 'The Angel of the LORD' in the OT

I'm not sold on what she believes about Michael, but I do think she has a much better argument for it than the JWs have for their crazy ideas.

I'm not going to make an enemy out of my sister because of this topic, even if I think she's wrong. :)
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I don’t believe, I know that saying Jesus is an angel is straight up blasphemy. But if it’s not a big enough deal for you, you’re entitled to that opinion I guess.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Nebuchadnezzar spoke the words "Sent His Angel" in Daniel 3:28

Was he a Prophet of God, "No" he was a pagan heathen King
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X marks the spot, juvenile isn't it? It's what a lazy person who can't rebut does, he's beaten in debate, so he lazily does what basically only I see you doing on here doing over and over. Some people might do it occasionally. It makes me SMH, to be honest. I destroy your wrong-headed thesis and you duck and hide, LOL.
 
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X marks the spot, juvenile isn't it? It's what a lazy person who can't rebut does, he's beaten in debate, so he lazily does what basically only I see you doing on here doing over and over. Some people might do it occasionally. It makes me SMH, to be honest. I destroy your wrong-headed thesis and you duck and hide, LOL.
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Don’t forget the character attack, and the bearing false witness when all else fails to take the focus off them
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Don’t forget the character attack, and the bearing false witness when all else fails to take the focus off them
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Your claims of character attacks and bearing false witness is a "false accusation"

2 Timothy 3:2-3KJV
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Jesus Is The Lord
 
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OrphanedRepublican said:
Someone posting in here argued against the notion that the Lord Jesus is an angel and that perhaps it is a "demotion" of sorts to view him that way. My understanding that Michael, the Archangel is the Lord Jesus is solid. I cannot see it any other way.

But, interestingly, to the point of Jesus NOT being an "angel," I came upon these events in my study of Daniel today: (I'm cutting/pasting KJV scripture exactly and highlighting the point I wish to make.) Consider it, if you will.

Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire.

27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
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None of these verses say that Jesus is Michael the archangel.

Read the New Testament. You'll hopefully find that Jesus is, in fact, God and not an angel.

I recommend starting off with the book of John to understand the character of Jesus and then reading Hebrews chapter 1 to see how Jesus is different than angels.
 
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OrphanedRepublican said:
Someone posting in here argued against the notion that the Lord Jesus is an angel and that perhaps it is a "demotion" of sorts to view him that way. My understanding that Michael, the Archangel is the Lord Jesus is solid. I cannot see it any other way.

But, interestingly, to the point of Jesus NOT being an "angel," I came upon these events in my study of Daniel today: (I'm cutting/pasting KJV scripture exactly and highlighting the point I wish to make.) Consider it, if you will.

Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire.

27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
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Direct Question: Do you believe in a literal place of torment upon death "Hell"?
 
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Direct Question: Do you believe in a literal place of torment upon death "Hell"?
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I'm done answering questions because no one will answer my simple question. This whole debate is fruitless. I've answered many questions and not a one has answered my question. Interesting.
 
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Runningman said:
None of these verses say that Jesus is Michael the archangel.

Read the New Testament. You'll hopefully find that Jesus is, in fact, God and not an angel.

I recommend starting off with the book of John to understand the character of Jesus and then reading Hebrews chapter 1 to see how Jesus is different than angels.
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Is Jesus an angel?
 
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Truth7t7 said:
A Very Simple Direct Question: Do you believe in a literal place of torment upon death for the wicked "Hell"?
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I understand deflection when I see it. I've answered several questions and not one person will answer my one simple question.
 
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I believe that there are many places in the old testament where Christ appeared in the form of "The Angel of the LORD" and interacted with people.

I can put some examples and discuss them if need be.

They are in fact proofs that He is God
 
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