Daniel 11:37, The Future Antichrist Will Be A Jew/Hebrew In Decent

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have a closer look at Judges 13

The Angel of the LORD announces the birth of Samson -- and they say, "we have seen God"
who is this?
His name is called Wonderful, and He ascends to heaven before their eyes - compare John 3:13.
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It's all in the way it is written or what the writer understands or doesn't understand. Notice Daniel never calls Jesus the Angel of the Lord like he does Micheal and Gabriel, he calls him the Man in Linen, letting us know he thought he was far different from the other messengers, however, Jesus was delivering a message, and thus, if YAHWEH or Jehova is used then Jesus, could be a messenger of God the Father, but he would never be an Angel of the Lord because he is the Lord.

But, David said the Lord said unto my LORD saying that there were two Lords, one was Jesus and one was the Father. But Jesus can never simply be an Angel (Messanger of God) he has to be a Messanger AND the Lord.

This is why it gets s confusing, Angel simply means Messenger, but Jesus is more than a mere messenger, he's also The Lord. Thus if a text says he's the Messanger of Yahweh, then he is that but he is also the Lord. Whereas Angels are only Messengers of God and underlings, Jesus is the Lord.
 
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OrphanedRepublican said:
AC meaning antichrist? When it comes to that topic, I'm kind of in the dark.
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Hello? That is what the topic of this thread is supposed to be...
"The Future Antichrist Will Be A Jew/Hebrew In Decent"
Not Michael the Archangel/Jesus.
You've done well derailing this thread with your pet doctrine, how about starting your own thread on the topic?
 
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Its interesting to me that Revelation focuses on what is modern Turkey, and that a city with 7 hills - e. g. Constantinople - features in the text. Erdogan really hates Israel. Just saying
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Which is why God tells us "Line upon line, precept upon precept, Here a little there a little" Satan can twist a single verse over time, like the DEPARTURE of the Church in 2 Thess. 2:3 now being the DEPARTURE (Falling Away0 from the Faith, even though nowhere in the passage is faith spoken of, but the Gathering unto Christ is spoken of.

Where do you see Turkey specifically brother? I think its a misconception in that Pergomum being the Seat of Satan is not what you think. Go to YOUTUBE: The Seat of Satan: Pergamum and Nazi Germany - CBN and there are others, one by Jonathon Cahn. Rome had their District Headquarters for the Army in Pergamum, and they built a Temple to Jupiter there. The Zeus god can be traced back all the way to Baal (Satan), in Canaan, it became Bel in Egypt and Babylon, then Belios in Grece, then Zeus, then Jupiter in Rome. So, Jesus told the Church of Pergamum, I know where you live, even where the Throne of Satan is. The Germans dug up the Throne of Satan and transferred it piece by piece to Berlin. Hitler built an exact replica of it in Nuremberg where he gave many of his crazed speeches from the throne. So, Jesus was not talking about a future Anti-Christ's birthplace, but where Satan dwelt at via a temple unto Jupiter in Pergamum at that time. The 7Hills is also a HUGE MISNOMER, it's about 7 Kings THAT FALL, and 5 had already fallen, thus it's about, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece who had FALLEN........And about Rome who WAS........And about the coming Anti-Christ who is of course future tense. Thus it was neer about ONE CITY, it's about a Figurative 7 Headed Beast who controlled Israel AND the whole Mediterranean Sea Region in each case.

All the clues must fit 100 percent, always, God never makes miscues. Turkey, Russia, and Iran's Armies get destroyed by God BEFORE the Anti-Christ comes to power.
 
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I would never send someone to YouTube for eschatology, especially Jonathan Cahn videos.
 
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I would like to add this before I answer that:

Behold Daniel 10:13
13But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

So there is more than one prince Michael is not the only prince referred to in Daniel.

Daniel 6 does not say which angel shut the mouth of the lion. I mean, it could be any of them. God's angels can do whatever He tells them to. Doesn't mean it was Michael or Jesus.
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That's puzzling. I have to investigate that. That ruins my neat little package bundle of scriptures that prove my case. I'm not sure of your conclusion yet. I think I'll find somewhere more clarity. But, will take time. And, if it be so, I hope to discover that. When referring to Michael in Daniel 12:1 he is called the "great prince." The prince is also called the Messiah. So we still have the Michael the archangel identified as the Messiah. That much I do have by virtue of the bible interpreting itself

The symbolism of accusation/intercession is the clue to identifying the "angel" in the verse of who shut the mouths of the lions. It's a clue, but you're right, could be any angel sent to shut their mouths and I'm thinking of it with other scripture that describes Jesus though. I follow the clues. Could it be any angel? Is it likely? I don't know.

I feel confident I'll find more evidence. But, tomorrow is another day.
 
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Actually, this is the first I've learned that this particular speaker in Daniel 10 is thought to be Gabriel, though I can see its assumption considering Daniel specified Gabriel speaking in Daniel 9 vision, with an added inclusion of the Daniel 8 vision, and is identified in 8 by 'the voice of a man calling from between the banks of the Ulai.' However, it seems peculiar to me that Daniel does not specify Gabriel in his vision by the Tigris, but only elaborates on his appearance , ie eyes of flame, voice like the sound of the multitude... the mysterious man with the voice of many waters perhaps (*Ulai is Hebrew for 'perhaps yes' whereas Penai is Hebrew for 'perhaps (and hopefully) no' or 'lest') a description which brings a vision of the LORD, to my mind. And, if I do see Him correctly, since He refers to both Gabriel and Michael as separate from Him, then He can be consider as neither of these.
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I happen to be studying Daniel at the moment. I usually spend a couple days on chapters if they're short. Daniel, I may spend a few days on. It's full of symbolism and parables and I'm no good at discerning end times parables.

I think that people that study the bible have different "gifts" of discernment. Some people may be very gifted or blessed in understanding latter days' mysteries. (I am not.) Others may be very good with the geneologies and numbers and discern hidden truths in them. (I am not.) Some people can discover a lot of information just by the geography of events. (I am not.)

My gift or blessing seems to be discovering patterns in events and similitudes and connect them. That's a long way from really understanding all of God's plans. But, it is a piece of the overall puzzle.
 
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I happen to be studying Daniel at the moment. I usually spend a couple days on chapters if they're short. Daniel, I may spend a few days on. It's full of symbolism and parables and I'm no good at discerning end times parables.

I think that people that study the bible have different "gifts" of discernment. Some people may be very gifted or blessed in understanding latter days' mysteries. (I am not.) Others may be very good with the geneologies and numbers and discern hidden truths in them. (I am not.) Some people can discover a lot of information just by the geography of events. (I am not.)

My gift or blessing seems to be discovering patterns in events and similitudes and connect them. That's a long way from really understanding all of God's plans. But, it is a piece of the overall puzzle.
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Putting puzzles together is a good analogy of the process. Having another set of eyes and approach helps to complete it a little easier. Even more, that we both look forward to getting it finished and are looking at the same picture reference. I've always started by looking for the border pieces.
 
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I would never send someone to YouTube for eschatology, especially Jonathan Cahn videos.
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Youtube isn't all bad, at least it offers somewhat control of content, albeit with a lot of diligent searching and. searching some more, I can hardly find any quality content on cable anymore. But there are tons of videos on eschatology and I have yet to watch the first one, nor see that changing anytime soon.
 
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Youtube isn't all bad, at least it offers somewhat control of content, albeit with a lot of diligent searching and. searching some more, I can hardly find any quality content on cable anymore. But there are tons of videos on eschatology and I have yet to watch the first one, nor see that changing anytime soon.
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Well there are a lot of false prophets on YouTube, so it would take someone already well trained in eschatology to filter out the poison. Besides, what’s wrong with going to the pure source, the Bible?
 
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I would never send someone to YouTube for eschatology, especially Jonathan Cahn videos.
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Well, then go study it for yourself. The facts are the facts, no matter where we get them, if you want to research for hours be my guest, like I stated, there are a bunch of videos there. It blew a hole in your understanding, I understand because I thought the same thing for 25 years. It's OK to be wrong, it means God is helping us along our journey, we start out as sinners, come to God by Faith alien, then He reveals all things unto us, and we only see darkly in this lifetime.

I celebrate understanding I was in error because now I know I am seeing truths.
 
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Rondonmon said:
Which is why God tells us "Line upon line, precept upon precept, Here a little there a little" Satan can twist a single verse over time, like the DEPARTURE of the Church in 2 Thess. 2:3 now being the DEPARTURE (Falling Away0 from the Faith, even though nowhere in the passage is faith spoken of, but the Gathering unto Christ is spoken of.

Where do you see Turkey specifically brother? I think its a misconception in that Pergomum being the Seat of Satan is not what you think. Go to YOUTUBE: The Seat of Satan: Pergamum and Nazi Germany - CBN and there are others, one by Jonathon Cahn. Rome had their District Headquarters for the Army in Pergamum, and they built a Temple to Jupiter there. The Zeus god can be traced back all the way to Baal (Satan), in Canaan, it became Bel in Egypt and Babylon, then Belios in Grece, then Zeus, then Jupiter in Rome. So, Jesus told the Church of Pergamum, I know where you live, even where the Throne of Satan is. The Germans dug up the Throne of Satan and transferred it piece by piece to Berlin. Hitler built an exact replica of it in Nuremberg where he gave many of his crazed speeches from the throne. So, Jesus was not talking about a future Anti-Christ's birthplace, but where Satan dwelt at via a temple unto Jupiter in Pergamum at that time. The 7Hills is also a HUGE MISNOMER, it's about 7 Kings THAT FALL, and 5 had already fallen, thus it's about, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece who had FALLEN........And about Rome who WAS........And about the coming Anti-Christ who is of course future tense. Thus it was neer about ONE CITY, it's about a Figurative 7 Headed Beast who controlled Israel AND the whole Mediterranean Sea Region in each case.

All the clues must fit 100 percent, always, God never makes miscues. Turkey, Russia, and Iran's Armies get destroyed by God BEFORE the Anti-Christ comes to power.
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Ya. It was just a very general observation - that the 7 churches named by Christ are all on the West coast of Turkey, in close proximity as it happens.
But it is curious that the confederation in Ezekiel 38 is all again Turkish, bar Iran, and North and East Africa, off the top of my head.
 
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Rondonmon said:
Which is why God tells us "Line upon line, precept upon precept, Here a little there a little" Satan can twist a single verse over time, like the DEPARTURE of the Church in 2 Thess. 2:3 now being the DEPARTURE (Falling Away0 from the Faith, even though nowhere in the passage is faith spoken of, but the Gathering unto Christ is spoken of.

Where do you see Turkey specifically brother? I think its a misconception in that Pergomum being the Seat of Satan is not what you think. Go to YOUTUBE: The Seat of Satan: Pergamum and Nazi Germany - CBN and there are others, one by Jonathon Cahn. Rome had their District Headquarters for the Army in Pergamum, and they built a Temple to Jupiter there. The Zeus god can be traced back all the way to Baal (Satan), in Canaan, it became Bel in Egypt and Babylon, then Belios in Grece, then Zeus, then Jupiter in Rome. So, Jesus told the Church of Pergamum, I know where you live, even where the Throne of Satan is. The Germans dug up the Throne of Satan and transferred it piece by piece to Berlin. Hitler built an exact replica of it in Nuremberg where he gave many of his crazed speeches from the throne. So, Jesus was not talking about a future Anti-Christ's birthplace, but where Satan dwelt at via a temple unto Jupiter in Pergamum at that time. The 7Hills is also a HUGE MISNOMER, it's about 7 Kings THAT FALL, and 5 had already fallen, thus it's about, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece who had FALLEN........And about Rome who WAS........And about the coming Anti-Christ who is of course future tense. Thus it was neer about ONE CITY, it's about a Figurative 7 Headed Beast who controlled Israel AND the whole Mediterranean Sea Region in each case.

All the clues must fit 100 percent, always, God never makes miscues. Turkey, Russia, and Iran's Armies get destroyed by God BEFORE the Anti-Christ comes to power.
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The Antichrist will be a Jew/Hebrew in the lineage of King David

The 7 hilled city is Jerusalem, who is the whore of Revelation, Mystery Babylon the great

The 10 horns represent kings of the 10 lost tribes of Israel, that will be recognized quickly and receive power with the Beast in one hour, they will give their power and consent to come against the whore Jerusalem for her liberal ungodliness
 
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By not saying it outloud? By the usual, LYING. Politicians been playing that game for a while now
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He will pretend to worship the true God before people, He will worship other gods behind closed door, living the lie

Daniel 11:38-39KJV
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
 
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Youtube isn't all bad, at least it offers somewhat control of content, albeit with a lot of diligent searching and. searching some more, I can hardly find any quality content on cable anymore. But there are tons of videos on eschatology and I have yet to watch the first one, nor see that changing anytime soon.
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YouTube can be good. My and my wife found good content so we could get some good teaching during covid. The problem is like anything, if you don’t know much about the word you can be led astray if you find the wrong person or teacher,
 
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I happen to be studying Daniel at the moment. I usually spend a couple days on chapters if they're short. Daniel, I may spend a few days on. It's full of symbolism and parables and I'm no good at discerning end times parables.

I think that people that study the bible have different "gifts" of discernment. Some people may be very gifted or blessed in understanding latter days' mysteries. (I am not.) Others may be very good with the geneologies and numbers and discern hidden truths in them. (I am not.) Some people can discover a lot of information just by the geography of events. (I am not.)

My gift or blessing seems to be discovering patterns in events and similitudes and connect them. That's a long way from really understanding all of God's plans. But, it is a piece of the overall puzzle.
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Daniel prophecy, not parables,,

If you go into it looking at it like parables you will not get a true rendering of what Daniel was saying
 
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That the future antichrist will be Jewish.

Has to be cause: "God of your fathers"
Only Jews are waiting for the messiah since they dont believe in Jesus, and they'll get one, THE FALSE messiah. Until of course the remnant will be saved.
Jews would never accept anyone as the messiah who isnt a Jew.
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This makes Daniel a liar then,

shouod we do like the jews and cast out Daniel?
 
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By not saying it outloud? By the usual, LYING. Politicians been playing that game for a while now
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How can he be a jew if he is said to be of the people,who destroyed the city and temple (Romans 9)

that would make him from rome or europe. not jewish
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
How can he be a jew if he is said to be of the people,who destroyed the city and temple (Romans 9)

that would make him from rome or europe. not jewish
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The Scripture Is Self Explanatory, Why Do You Disregard The Truth Before Your Eyes?

The (Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel 11:37 Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples, (God Of His Fathers)

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
 
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Ya. It was just a very general observation - that the 7 churches named by Christ are all on the West coast of Turkey, in close proximity as it happens.
But it is curious that the confederation in Ezekiel 38 is all again Turkish, bar Iran, and North and East Africa, off the top of my head.
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There is a reason Jesus chose all 7 Churches in close proximity. He didn't want to choose 7 different nations, then scold some more than others, God knowing all things, understood that Satan would use that to divide the Church. However, by praising some and scolding others in the SAME REGION, Satan was not able to divide the Church by whispering lies.

I personally can't swear to this being a fact, but it's pretty obvious to me why he chose all the churches from one small region. That way he let similar types of peoples have it in both praise and rebuke.

Russia, Iran, and Turkey are in the mix. Just like the Asteroid in Rev. 8 destroys 1/3 of the world (in essence) and makes this man's paths straight. I think Russia, Turkey, and Iran going forth is meant by God to make his path straight once again. With Russia, Iran, and Turkey's Armies all destroyed, the E.U. becomes dominant in the region all of the sudden.
 
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