Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

Are you Jewish in your ethnic heritage Evmur?

Yes, perfectly. Israel was punished severily from year 70 AD to 1,948 AD, Israel was banned from their land and stayed 1,878 years without nation, and its return is prophetic evidently.

But the worst punishment will come now in the end of the times. Jeremiah 23:v.17 to 20:

17 They say still unto them that despise me, The Lord hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the Lord, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?

19 Behold, a whirlwind of the Lord is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.

20 The anger of the Lord shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.

Romans 9:v.27-33

27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 2:v.8 to 12

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law -THE GENTILES- shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law -THE JEWS- shall be judged by the law;

Revelation 7:v.1-4

1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Abrahamic covenant is STILL in effect!! The Jews never lost the deed to the land. God made an unconditional covenant with Abraham and He will fulfill it. Your Fulfillment Theology is as false and anti- Semitic as Replacement Theology. In both, the church gets all the blessings the Jews get all the curses. You're just utterly wrong and as blinded as the Jews.


Jer. 35 This is what the Lord says,

he who appoints the sun
to shine by day,
who decrees the moon and stars
to shine by night,
who stirs up the sea
so that its waves roar—
the Lord Almighty is his name:
36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,”
declares the Lord,
“will Israel ever cease
being a nation before me.”
37 This is what the Lord says:

“Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,”
declares the Lord.


Quote "There were only about 40,000 Jewish people in what was known as Palestine at the turn of the twentieth century. By 1948, when Israel declared their independence and statehood, there were about 500,000. Today there are about 7 million and the number is still growing. Why? Because the Jewish people from all over the world are becoming more and more interested in going back to Israel! They are going home, if you will, in fulfillment of this prophecy. "


Is. 7 Do not be afraid, for I am with you;
I will bring your children from the east
and gather you from the west.
6 I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’
and to the south, ‘Do not hold them back.’
Bring my sons from afar
and my daughters from the ends of the earth—
7 everyone who is called by my name,
whom I created for my glory,
whom I formed and made.”

Jer. 14 “However, the days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when it will no longer be said, ‘As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,’ 15 but it will be said, ‘As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.’ For I will restore them to the land I gave their ancestors.


Esk. 27... When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of many nations. 28 Then they will know that I am the Lord their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind.

Many of the prophecies calling for the Jewish people to be regathered to the land of Israel also call for them to be gathered there without faith in their God.


This is the scenario that is called for in Ezekiel 37:1-28 known as the “valley of dry bones” chapter. Ezekiel 37:11- 14 leaves no question that Jewish people will be gathered from all over the world to the land of Israel before the Spirit is placed within them. Therefore, lack of faith in God in Israel today is in perfect harmony with the condition called for in Ezekiel 37.

Fulfillment theology is really a total non-starter though I would have thought,
(assuming one reads the whole Bible, and not merely 3 Chapters of Galatians + excerpts from Romans),
since God makes it clear (Leviticus/Deuteronomy), that the curse on Israel serves a purpose.
(Really as a kind of manifestation of the reality of God).

....so, to clarify - God has not thrown Israel away as he is using them for a purpose.

He can’t answer you, he just has a cut and paste to whatever he thinks you may be asking

Amen

if god does not keep one promise he is not bound to keep any

Amen god will fulfill his promise through Israel yet again

Christians need to be able to distinguish between the secular modern Israel (which also practices sabbath-keeping) and redeemed and restored Israel under Christ. Which will be after His Second Coming.

According to the Bible, that future Israel will be the leading nation on earth under God and Christ. And Jerusalem will also become the center of worship.

What we see in Romans 11:25-36 is a summation of all the prophecies regarding Israel embedded in the Old Testament. Paul praises the grace of God in this passage, since the Jews do not deserve this restoration. Just as no one deserves salvation.

But first there will be "the time of Jacob's trouble" (the Tribulation) followed by the Great Tribulation.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Hosea 5:14-6:3 -

14 For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.

15 I will go and return to my place, till they [Israel] acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

1 Come, and let us [Israel] return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us [Israel]; he hath smitten, and he will bind us [Israel] up.

2 After two days will he revive us [Israel]: in the third day he will raise us [Israel] up, and we [Israel] shall live in his sight.

3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rains, as the latter [/spring] rains unto the earth.



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@Truth7t7 , do you know what the overarching theme of the Book of "Hosea" is?

There was a rally for Israel held in town yesterday, a lot of churches went.

I didnt, it was wet and rainy.
Im not sure about being caught up in politics, but if its a peaceful show of support and prayer for Jerusalem, then I dont see anything wrong with it.

Believers do look for the new Jerusalem, obviously the old one is still there, with all its contradictions.

Is that "god" or "God"

1 Corinthians 8:5-6KJV
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

You should not be commenting on matters of which you have no knowledge. And then aggravating the issue by bolding your post.

In the current situation...
Yes we need to support Israel.
Hamas attacked Israel, without provocation, for political power that they have lost due to the peace and financial agreements made with countries which were formerly supportive of Hamas.

Hamas is also upset that their own people have taken the money gifted to them for the purpose of vaccines and basically used it for personal use. (They have a severe issue with graft)

For these reasons they attacked Israel.

Where in the past Israel has been guilty of abusing their financial power over the Palestinians...but Palestine is a separate country.
And if Greenland was to attack France for some reason we would be all in defense of France and angry at Greenland.

So... even though we gave Jordan money to bribe the Palestinians with to get them to stop attacking...I'm not a Hamas fan.

According Scriptures it is god;

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and who will oppose and will exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And for this cause GOD shall send them -shall send to the people of Israel- strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth-believed not in JESUS-, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thes.2:v.11-12

JESUS said to the Jews: John 5:v.42 o 46

42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. (If JESUS said we cannot deny and contradict JESUS)

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another (AN IMPOSTER, a false messiah, a false god) shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. -(If JESUS said we cannot deny and contradict JESUS)-

44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

And for this cause GOD shall send them -shall send to the people of Israel- strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth-believed not in JESUS-, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thes.2:v.11-12

What prevails is the Word of GOD, and not opinions, and speculations, and supppositions, and conjectures, and imaginations.

Revelation 5:v.10

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.


Revelation 1:v.5-6
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Isaiah 40:v.21-22
21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22 It is He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, (heavens? Ephesians 1:v.3-believe. What heaven are you in now?) and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Revelation 20:v.4
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and Judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

What prevails is the Word of God. The Word is GOD, understand?

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

but no one could live a thousand years on Earth even Adam 10X100 . 1=10 in bible

What prevails is the Word of GOD.

The Word is GOD, understand?

Revelation 11:v.15
The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD ARE BECOME the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.


And the nations were angry, and thy wrath-GOD's wrath-is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.


JESUS said: Luke 20:v.35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world-the next world-the Kingdom of GOD-, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

There will be resurrection in the days ahead, I mean in this decade-from 2020 to 2030. Daniel 12:v.1-3:

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.


1 Thessalonians 4:v.16

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel-MICHAEL-, and with the Trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


1 Corinthians 14:v.8
8 - If the Trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?


1 Corinthians 15:v.24 to 28
24 The END cometh, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to GOD-Revelation 11:v.15-, even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN all rule and all authority and power.

25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For He hath put all things under His feet. But when He saith all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put all things under Him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

Be careful and get ready