Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

It's supposed to be about the Ten Commandments, but whenever the OSAS crowd are confronted with the fact that God wrote that and not the Ten Suggestions, they invariably interject OSAS as a means of justifying their refusal to obey them.

So, I suggest you scroll to the top of the OP, find the first person to bring up OSAS as the basis for why Sabbath breaking is OK, and deal with them. I would really appreciate that.

That would keep the OP focusing on what it was originally intended to be: the question of why do people argue that our rest in Jesus allows us break the Fourth Commandment, when they don't apply that logic to any other of the commandments.

The endure to the end is very much literal, however, there are things that did not endure to the end.

That being said, the only reason why one doesn't stand by the Judgement Seat of Christ is that HE never knew them.

Not casting out devils, not speaking in tongues, not keeping the sabbath it was HE never knew them.


If you are not able to keep the Sabbath how are you getting into Heaven? You make better Gumbo than me? why?

You are staining anat and missing the Camal

Alas, what purveyors of this false guilt trip keep forgetting, is that Paul took care of the Sabbath day worship


Colossians 2:16, NIV: "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day."

Colossians 2:16, ESV: "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath."

Colossians 2:16, KJV: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Colossians 2:16, NASB: "Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day—"

Colossians 2:16, NLT: "So don't let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths."

Colossians 2:16, CSB: "Therefore, don't let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day."

that's good enough for me. like some spirits once said, Jesus I know and Paul I know, but who are you?

Paul starts this new passage off with the word "therefore." This means the upcoming thoughts are the result of his prior statements. In earlier verses, Paul explained that our relationship with God is through Christ, not through physical rituals such as circumcision. The salvation we have, through Christ, is complete and total. Not only does it remove the penalty of sin and restore our relationship to God, it also defeats the forces of evil which come against us (Colossians 2:13–15).

This verse uses those prior thoughts to refute a claim made by false teachers. These deceivers were telling Colossian Christians that they must follow specific rituals, rules, and regulations in order to be saved. In the next verse, Paul will call these concepts "a shadow of the things to come," or something much less important than Christ Himself. In contrast, Paul writes, "let no one pass judgment on you," with regard to four specific areas.

First, Paul notes dietary restrictions. The Mosaic law included many dietary aspects, such as not eating pork, an unclean food for Jews.

Second, Paul mentions holidays and feast days. Jewish laws included many specific celebrations such as Passover and the Day of Atonement, which were referred to as "festivals."

Third, a "new moon" refers to the new moon celebrations in the Mosaic law (Numbers 29:6).

Fourth, Paul mentions the Sabbath day. In Judaism, Saturday, the seventh day, was a holy day from sunset Friday till sunset Saturday, during which no work could be done (Exodus 20:8–11).

Paul clearly states, in this verse, that these kinds of rules are not requirements for saved believers. The passage immediately before this verse explained that Christ removed all sin and penalty through His sacrifice. As a result, there are no possible works we can do, or need to do, in order to be made righteous with God. This is an idea Paul gave additional detail to in Romans chapter 14.

Context Summary
Colossians 2:16–23 is an application of the ideas Paul mentions in the previous verses. Verses 6 through 15 explained the supremacy of Christ over deceptive, human-based thinking. In this passage, Paul explicitly states that rules, rituals, and self-denial are not the path of spiritual growth. Trying to grow, spiritually, through these efforts is as impossible as a body part developing naturally while severed from the head! Living under severe rules might look good to others, but it's not how God has called us to relate to Him as Christian believers.

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You see? Now you got me all hungry! And I'm fat enough as it is and gumbo ain't exactly "lean cuisine" LOL

Jesus said "many" will have excuses on Judgment Day, which word "many" is the operative word. He didn't say "all", for if he did, you would be correct.

Yes, "many" will offer the excuses he mentioned in Matthew 7:21-24 KJV but others like Hitler won't be saying that and neither will those like in Matthew 24:12 KJV or Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV and 2 Peter 2:20-22 KJV who were saved but wound up lost -- they'll know they deserve what they're about to get...they'll have been as impossible to renew again to repentance as those who had the Holy Spirit but wound up lost in Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV.

If you can cite one instance where I put words in other's mouths, CS1 will airmail you a bowl of his gumbo. Right, CS1? Back me up, bro!

No I'm talking about 1) Remission and 2) Redemption.
Sins were not Redeemed until the cross . This you seem to not understand?

Things different are not the same. Show me a verse in the NT that says " the Just shall live by his faith " and then show me a verse in the old T that says " The Just shall live by faith " . I'm noticing that things that are different you gloss over .

//They were to look forward to Cross while being saved exactly the same way as we who look back to it.// This is false. Its just a catchy phrase that gets used over and over ,but show me one diciple who was looking forward to the cross ? Peter chopped a man's ear off to prevent it happening then denied the Lord three times after that denied the resurrection happened. Saying it was " an idle tale " No one was singing happy resurrection day outside the tomb.

People crave certainty , people join groups that seemingly offer this certainty. Sda , Catholicism, Jehovah witnesses, Mormons, Christadelphians , Church of Christ ,they all lure folks in with " we've got the truth, everyone else is Babylon.

// OSAS is nothing more than the same type of "Exclusivity Religion" practiced by Catholics, Calvinists, and Luciferians - all claim (smugly) to partake of something that is denied to others.//
Nope they teach the same ' conditional / works salvation as SDA . There is no assurance in those groups.

//That has zero impact on how people were saved and empowered to live righteously in the OT. They were to look forward to Cross while being saved exactly the same way as we who look back to it.// I,n the OT
No one appropriated salvation through believing the DBR . No one trusted the resurrection , no one did Rom 10.9 , No one in Hebrews 11 did this either . No one one understood the DBR ,not even the diciples until after the resurrection.

hahaha anyway, Dear brother Salvation is always possible until you die. I know many will say it is not possible for Hilter. Yet we do know there are those who have been turned over to Satan as Judas was. I am called to be an evangelist and have the gifts of the Holy Spirit that go with that office. I would do all I could as Jesus did to reach Judas to reach Hilter. And if he did get saved That would not remove the judgment of the law of the land. I can't worry about Hilter, Charle Mason, or Ted Bundy and taking care of CS1's walk and that is more than enough . I am sure Hitler's mother loved him even as rotten as a No, good Son of an Austrian civil servant. How many of you are liking how that came out right now? amen

I agree it means not under the condemnation of the law but if you reinforce that with BECAUSE we keep His commandments you are adding to that grace

that being said, those in Christ do want to walk after Him and please Him

you cite I John 3:22, but which commandments are being referred to? I suppose you think the 10, but John quotes Christ, so it does not seem like it

no one has said that though

what people are saying, is that the grace of God through Christ is extended for forgiveness of sins, the blood of Christ being the final atonement rather than an entire system of blood sacrifice as per the OT

I have NEVER seen and never HEARD any Christian (and I am not a static person who has stayed in one place for years on end) say that we have license to sin. I also do not know who teaches that

so I suppose if you are making a case for exceptions, that is those that DO teach what you claim, you may have a case, but don't apply that condemnation with a broad brush

maybe we can find a person here in this forum who does that sort of thing? would be interesting

are you saying that anyone who pokes a hole in your postulating are OSAS?

Again, I just have not come across these folks

no thanks to the gumbo. too rich for me

here is one instance but there are many more. when a person switches up what someone says in order to brace the point they wish to make, it is common, depending on the personality, to do what I say you have done/are doing

Ahwatukee said:
I have a document with all of the references to our not being under the law, which is overwhelming. I will not trade the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ for the observance of the works law, which neither I nor anyone else could keep.

and you replied: (your post 69)
"Phoneman-777, post: 4559687, member: 287593"]Isn't it amazing how grace means "do what thou wilt" when it comes to God's law, but when it comes to traffic laws, grace means carefully pulling away from the traffic cop that pulled you over and heading down the road 10 miles under the speed limit, right?

It seems when it comes to the man's grace for violating secular laws, Christians fall all over themselves to carefully observe them, but when it comes to God's Law, they look for every loophole to get out of doing what nailed Jesus to the Cross in the first place.

Ahwatukee says he will not observe the law as he is not under the law. You reply that it is amazing how grace means 'do what thou wilt'

You put words in his mouth. He said NOTHING do whatever you want and yet your reply refers to that...your hobby horse apparently

you are either failing to see what is being said or you just wish to talk about what you perceive as something you believe is needing emphasis (even though no one has said what you are saying) OR, you just deliberately try to make folks seem like sinners doing whatever they want so that you, can again, make that point

you will deny this and explain it away, but it is there

I am used to dealing with folks who manipulate in this manner and this is what you are doing. You may think you are on a mission here, but you are not dealing with what others are saying but are inserting what you wish to put emphasis on

I don't expect any sort of agreement with this post

thanks for ignoring the scripture I posted with regards to how Paul says we CHRISTIANS should deal with that sort of thing

any idea how often you have just either ignored what he said or glossed over it because it inserts a major objection to your personal applications?

anyway, here is my post that you (cough cough) did not see apparently my post 383

"SophieT, post: 4569647, member: 303760"]Alas, what purveyors of this false guilt trip keep forgetting, is that Paul took care of the Sabbath day worship


Colossians 2:16, NIV: "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day."

Colossians 2:16, ESV: "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath."

Colossians 2:16, KJV: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Colossians 2:16, NASB: "Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day—"

Colossians 2:16, NLT: "So don't let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths."

Colossians 2:16, CSB: "Therefore, don't let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day."

that's good enough for me. like some spirits once said, Jesus I know and Paul I know, but who are you?

anyway, this is just typical of the Sabbath day adherents. Go ahead and keep it all you want.

Paul says DO NOT LET ANYONE JUDGE YOU about the Sabbath

the op likes to say people think grace means go ahead and sin, wink wink, I gotcha covered

that is not what people are saying and does not matter what the op says. we are not to let ANYONE judge us

I'm outta here. Spent way too much debating this one in the past, and I have yet to meet a Sabbath keeper that changes their mind

s'long