Unconditional love and the church's approach to homosexuality

I believe that the way many churches and Christians approach the issue of homosexuality is unbiblical.

Churches market themselves as offering unconditional love.
However, all too often they use a bait and switch tactic whereby they offer unconditional love to tempt people in and yet once 'captured', it is discovered that this love and acceptance is conditional on the newcomer changing in whichever way the church 'elders' dictate they should change.
If the church member doesn't change, they may find that they are not included in ways that they were before.

This is manipulation and spiritual abuse, and is absolutely not the kind of unconditional love offered by Jesus.

Before anybody says that homosexuality is forbidden by the Bible and that I'm "ignoring scripture"...
Prostitution is also forbidden in the Bible, and we all know how Jesus asked people not to throw stones and cast judgement.

You see, Jesus uses love to define scripture, and yet humans use scripture to define love.

Jesus reached out to the marginalised, and yet we reach out to condemn.
Perhaps it's in our fallen nature to want to play God?

Lastly, the reason I'm sticking up for homosexuals and using them as an example here is not because I'm gay myself, just as the reason why I'm against racism is not because I am black.

Love is not unconditional, thats the first problem.
Second problem is a gay person is not supposed to be a church member to begin with, according to the bible.


1 Corinthians 5:9-13

New International Version
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”

I believe that the way many churches and Christians approach the issue of homosexuality is unbiblical.

Churches market themselves as offering unconditional love.
However, all too often they use a bait and switch tactic whereby they offer unconditional love to tempt people in and yet once 'captured', it is discovered that this love and acceptance is conditional on the newcomer changing in whichever way the church 'elders' dictate they should change.
If the church member doesn't change, they may find that they are not included in ways that they were before.

This is manipulation and spiritual abuse, and is absolutely not the kind of unconditional love offered by Jesus.

Before anybody says that homosexuality is forbidden by the Bible and that I'm "ignoring scripture"...
Prostitution is also forbidden in the Bible, and we all know how Jesus asked people not to throw stones and cast judgement.

You see, Jesus uses love to define scripture, and yet humans use scripture to define love.

Jesus reached out to the marginalised, and yet we reach out to condemn.
Perhaps it's in our fallen nature to want to play God?

Lastly, the reason I'm sticking up for homosexuals and using them as an example here is not because I'm gay myself, just as the reason why I'm against racism is not because I am black.

The church I attended for years (before it went covid crazy) had a pair of lesbians that attended and the idea was they should be allowed to attend but could not hold a position.

I bet the church was willing to take their money from them though? ...

Well they got the church for 3 grand and stopped attending.

I'm sorry I'm not sure what you mean. They gave the Church 3 grand?

no. they needed money for bills and the church gave it to them. then they left.

Oh I see. Yeah that's really low to be honest.

Salvation is not “unconditional”.

Was there a follow-up?

Yes salvation is a free gift however I do not believe it is unconditional.
If it were unconditional then everybody would be saved and there would be no purpose for following Jesus.

We must have faith that Jesus is who He is in order to be saved.

Yes it is. It happened with another family as well. I was a trustee at the time.

I believe that the way many churches and Christians approach the issue of homosexuality is unbiblical.

Churches market themselves as offering unconditional love.
However, all too often they use a bait and switch tactic whereby they offer unconditional love to tempt people in and yet once 'captured', it is discovered that this love and acceptance is conditional on the newcomer changing in whichever way the church 'elders' dictate they should change.
If the church member doesn't change, they may find that they are not included in ways that they were before.

This is manipulation and spiritual abuse, and is absolutely not the kind of unconditional love offered by Jesus.

Before anybody says that homosexuality is forbidden by the Bible and that I'm "ignoring scripture"...
Prostitution is also forbidden in the Bible, and we all know how Jesus asked people not to throw stones and cast judgement.

You see, Jesus uses love to define scripture, and yet humans use scripture to define love.

Jesus reached out to the marginalised, and yet we reach out to condemn.
Perhaps it's in our fallen nature to want to play God?

Lastly, the reason I'm sticking up for homosexuals and using them as an example here is not because I'm gay myself, just as the reason why I'm against racism is not because I am black.

I think all too often we hear about it when someone in the church condemns someone else for a sin and silence on the subject when no condemnation was made.

How often is there a praise report for the good the church does or the acceptance the church embodies? Rarely if ever.

You're more likely to hear about it when the church does something wrong. This selective outrage gives the general impression of hostility towards the church from the secular world and it reflects poorly on their community. It becomes weaponized rhetoric and propaganda used to smear the body of Christ.

Therefore, the perception in the eye of the public is that Christians are all unloving. This couldn't be further from the truth.

I agree with you, though I'm not really sure how this relates to the subject under discussion?

Are you implying that the topic should not be discussed at all just because some of the good things that churches do don't get as much publicity as we would like?

I'm just saying that what you're saying is happening is not actually happening with the same intensity and frequency in your generalizations.

Yes it does happen and we can talk about that, but maybe we can talk about how to restore the good reputation of Christians rather than how they fail?

Your post was open-ended and didn't offer a solution. So what's your point?