JESUS CHRIST won the keys of death back for us, but we have to give up the key to our kingdom to use it. The Kingdoms Unify.

Giving up the key to your kingdom is giving up the world ..this fallen reality ..sin.
Adam gave the spiritual keys away to satan ..so we could sin.
Physical reality is fallen. We are still anchored to the tree of knowledge ..but now have THE WAY out of it.

The big picture of who you obey is whose Will you follow. You make your Free Will choices (conscience) under an umbrella ..a tree. The Tree of Life or the tree of knowledge. You follow satan if you are spiritually blind.

The knowledge from the tree in the Garden is what satan used with his own will to turn into choices of death/pride/lies/sin against GOD's Will.

We give our rotten carnal conscience away to abandon ego/pride and form into His Image again. Our choices regain GOD’s Guidance and Understanding. satan’s “truth” becomes a ridiculous illusion.

Is pride about being prideful of not putting your life on The Cross?

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

• If satan can be your father, does that mean satan caused the fruit/choices of the tree of knowledge to be connected to his own will/image?
• Do we always have Free Will, but the overarching perception is in the form of GOD's Will/Image ..or the beast?

Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God." (John 8:47, ESV)
You hear GOD through your perception.


this is what satan's will looks like

The Truth about this reality is from the Word of JESUS which is the Knowledge from the Tree of Life. Get beyond the veil.

Matthew 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

JESUS won the keys of death back, but He didn't stop physical death, death wasn't ended in the Garden of Eden after Adam chose it. We still have to reach for the Tree of Life.

brother this is a marvelously insightful post I’m tempted to leave a hundred scriptures to support exactly what you are saying but it might muddle it up

in your own relatively few words here you have laid out a ton of insight into the overall actual message found in the law , prophets and gospel in order as they should be understood

sadly I feel as if you will receive a negative response here , but just wanted to let you know I heard it clearly and have a lot of thoughts that are all scriptures saying the same things you have so it really makes my spirit jump and get excited I see understanding forming and spilling over from you

keep pressing into it brother and thanks for sharing

You are one of the few reasons i even bother with this website. Please "muddle" it up.

funny it’s sort of the same for
Me you and a few others or who might come along . It’s tough here often ot drains the spirit because of the arguing and seemingly constant conflict it’s really hard to avoid it and sometimes end up right in it .

it’s rather depleting but then sometimes a conversation comes along that builds up the spirit and reminds me of the value of this place like your op here in this thread seeing such a solid and scripturally sound message in ones own words and kept concise is something I’m incapable of , I rather , blabber and stagger and share scripture that makes sense of things I can’t explain I don’t have the right gift for explaining things concisely and intelligibly where others get what I’m talking about .
So I will be back later to muddle things up with some scripture that says clearly some of what you are talking about and makes some sense of it to me at least in scripture

God bless you brother , I always appreciate the kind spirit you share

No scripture says Christ ever "won" the keys of death. He has always had them.

i already posted this:

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

and some more:

1 Corinthians 15:55-57

O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Forsake this life ..to give it ..to get it on The Cross.

You have followed the world's choices from the tree of knowledge. You have chosen a fallen life.

[[/QUOTE]

So often with your posts as I’m reading what you write . It sort of comes across in my head like this

“Giving up the key to your kingdom is giving up the world ..this fallen reality ..sin.”

“For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof:

but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”

‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭
“Adam gave the spiritual keys away to satan ..so we could sin.”

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭

And then I always go into thought about what your saying like this , Adam was blessed and given free dominion over all the earth along with Eve they had the keys to the kingdom of earth from the start it was mans purpose to have dominion over the created things


“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good….

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭


man was given a good kingdom and freedom to dwell with the lord and eat of the tree of life But when they heard satans lie and followed his will it corrupted Thier image from the glory of God , to that of created beasts without judgement. Forsaking thoer God given judgement

“Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:21-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬
man was made in Gods image but refused to glorify him as God and served Satan and became as beasts

which you and I have discussed before in this is what I was saying regarding the beasts and river image what you have written in the op regarding the image and children of Satan beings the beasts, also being those who receive his mark rather than Gods While in the world beasts following the judgement of a dragon

this made them like children of the devil prone to do his will ( 1john 3:10) , giving the keys to their kingdom to him as he was now able to wield dominion through man who has dominion from the beginning

so you have the situation Christians face being enslaved or snared in a trap In this world we need to part with but it was not so at creation we caused it with our dominion following satans lie so we need to now acknowledge the truth to recover ourselves from this deadly snare of the devil

“In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”

‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the reason we need to part with this world is Satan has dominion for temporary time ordained of God in this earth and he’s leading it to destruction through his children. The beasts and then the masses who receive the mark of the beast ( servants of Satan rather than God )

“Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time…..And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we need as your post suggests to stop looking at this world and striving for this world, and receive the keys Jesus is offering us that open the door to his kingdom

“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:1-2‬ ‭

our hopes and dreams should be looking past this world

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”

‭‭John‬ ‭18:36‬ ‭

so when we let go of the keys to our fist estate , he’s inviting us into the kingdom that is in heaven , and one day will be established on the new earth forever but not until we part the world and it’s tree of corrupt knowledge and forsake it for the gospel and faith

God bless brother I always benefit when reading your thoughts

Could this be hinting that The Garden of Eden ..and temptation ..was in the mind/heart? Does it damage anything to suggest that maybe the Garden was what we needed to know ..not so much that it was physical? I think it would mean we are Adam and Eve.

this verse is sort of one key to the kingdom for all believers

notice it does t say “ will your own self to perfection “ or unless you we perfect you are not acceptable “

but the key is in who we yield ourselves , our God given freedom and dominion as mankind , to serve whether we choose to walk after Gods will expressed perfectly in Christs gospel

or if we are willing to yield ourselves to serving sin , which is that corrupt will of Satan that has filled the world described in 1john chaoter 2 , those things filling the world that are not of God , got here because we opened the doors of our kingdom to Satan and his lie and he was a “Trojan horse “ and sat on our throne and held our dominion keeping us ensnared in this worlds illusion “ the fallen state of illusion “ you mention and also in these verses the answer we need

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:3-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there is a powerful delusion in the world
And many don’t see it , Jesus came to tell us the truth of what we couldn’t know unless we believe the gospel , to declare the truth that reveals the delusion and illusion for what it is

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


That’s what happens if we believe the gospel we begin to receive the understanding Jesus came to give us that shows is the truth of this war for the souls of men

warning then instructions for this war
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

our weapon is to know the truth of satans presence and efforts to destroy us through temptations through the lust of the eyes , pride of life , lust of the flesh ect

Satan created a world of temptation when he took our kingdom over and now Christ is saving believers of the truth , the world was lost by filling Lies so , Jesus came to tell us the truth

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and if we receive him as lord and believe we’re going to escape that delusion and snare he set up for us , and because we rejected God , he eventually turned us over to our choices

and later offered salvstion through changing the mind and heart where the snare took its effect and grabbed us

no brother it’s never damaging . One of the things I thoroughly enjoy when interacting with you specifically , is that we are both allowed to freely speak our thoughts and both understanding the other is. Ot offending or damaging but we’re both trying to learn anything we can

what I find about what your saying is that mankind is part of the creation , and also has a living soul that came from God.

what I mean is the inner workings of man , somewhat is patterned after creation itself because we are made from the earth as well as being born of Gods spirit.

in my thinking scripture is always fillowong patterns from the beginning design of God , until we get back to his perfect design in the end.

I mean this with every single aspect of the Bible it’s sort of like this you will note variances but also might see what I’m saying.

I feel as if we are going to be patterned after Eden like you are suggesting because we’re part of that creation , but it doesn’t then mean that there isn’t a literal meaning as well to scripture

“And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:9-10, 15‬ ‭

so then later on after the fall and curse of destruction he starts promising restoration of this river coming out of Eden to water the garden same pattern but now it’s more revealed in a spiritual vision

Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.

....And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.

...Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.”

‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭47:1, 6-9, 12‬ ‭KJ

so a somewhat more revealed vision of this coming restoration and new river of life he’s seen , new trees of healing coming out from the place of Gods throne spilling into the earth d making all the creatures live again

then the pattern occurs a few more times but eventually we see we come back to a gods un corrupted design before the fall in the end of scripture but we see it’s now glorified and is actually our Christian hope to be in Gods presence like in the beginning with the tee of life and river of life

“And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.”

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:1-6‬

“I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there is a pattern of everything even a pattern of Eden within our nature so I think it’s a valid thought

four heads? This strikes me as Ezekiel had something like that (lion, an ox, a man, and an eagle)

Isa 51:3

For the LORD shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the LORD; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.

Isn't it strange that JESUS was in the desert for His temptation with the devil?

What is up with this?


Eze 31:8-9
The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

Then Jesus told His disciples, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me.

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

Jesus replied, “The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.”

yes in the beginning he planted a garden to the east . A river ran out of it and spilt into four to water the “ garden “

this is a very veiled and distant view of what God has prepared for us. Now that revelation has come in Christ , we know that the river of life is flowing from the throne of the lamb into all corners of the earth. The gospel Christs engrafted word

“His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:14-15, 18‬ ‭


“Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:10, 14, 23-26‬ ‭

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”
‭‭John‬ ‭7:37-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9-11, 14, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the river of life coming from Gods throne and the throne of the lamb is the spirit we receive by believing the gospel that Jesus sent into the world. It is Gods plan to call Us into the city he’s built in the heavens with that river of life coming from the Christ and his throne of dominion and grace

many times in scripture dofferent writers are communicating the same message with different ideas and imagery even e literal recorded things

the light of the world , the river of life , the tree of life , the word of life ect they are all speaking of The same ideas pertaining to Christ the messiah and his word of life

The servant of God who is annointes with his spirit and suffers for sins of the people in Isaiah , is the same as the branch of righteousness arising from David’s line spoken of by Ezekiel and zechariah all of the things the prophets saw pertaining to a New Testament to come we’re all wot eases of the gospel coming to pass and offering eternal salvation

it’s almost as of the Bible is itself one continuos witness of Christ , or why man needs Christ , or why Christ needed to die , or what man was without Christs atonement being set in the earth and his spirit being given , or just straight forward promises that Gods son would come to right all judgement ect

everything in the Bible sort ofnintersects and finds meaning in the New Testament doctrine pertaining to and coming from Jesus

I would say it’s an analogy of man on the earth as Gods garden and speaking of men of power like pharaoh , nebucadnezzar , and all subsequent following world powers that have come or will come before Jesus returns for the restoration of his kingdom on earth forever.

“Whom art thou like in thy greatness? Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.

The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high (revelation 13:-1 ) with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.

Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.

Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.

The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: ( adam
And Eve hid from God amongst the trees when they became sinners )

the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches;

nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty. I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him. ( man was made in Gods image and set above all creation in Eden God made him high and even some of the angels envied mankind )


Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;

I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭31:2-5, 7-11‬ ‭


This happens repetitively adam
And Eve , then Cain , later in genesis 6 all
Mankind but for Noah , later the children of Israel , later Babylon , Persia , Greece leading to romes dominion and cprruption Of earth as Egypt began long ago as having dominion corrupting the earth , each civilization does the same thing even if we begin with God we are corrupted over time by power , success , blessing , prosperity and all the temptations around us

the same points are
Made many times over in scripture men are raised by Gods grace and the. They eventually turn away and follow the world whatever evil is there at the time and begin to serve those things

christ solves that