Should we support police ?

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(Please note that this has nothing to do with BLM but is more about the future of policing and what role they play based off of what the bible says) I've been thinking and noticing all that's been happening over the past year with law enforcement, and am wondering if we (anyone but mostly Christians) should support the police. Now i don't mean it like the police are doing wrong, or killing innocent people like we see on the news, but that whenever the new world order comes along, or whenever the government creats unjust laws that we as christians HAVE to DISOBEY, when then should we support police ? Or rather why should we support them since the bible says ( 2 Timothy 3:12) we will be persecuted. I personally support individual officers when they do what is right, but i would never trust/support the police as a whole. Thoughts ?
 
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My dad was a cop. I wanted to be a cop. I support the police. They're imperfect, and there are some bad ones, but overall most seem to have the right intent.
As of right now they are still protecting people, saving lives, preventing suicides, running into gunfire, facing riots, a risk of execution style ambush, a public demoralizing by politicians, etc...
Maybe one day they will turn the wrong direction, but for now they aren't.

I also believe people who don't support the police don't deserve the benefits of having them around or their services. So if you get in a bad car accident and are trapped, police would do nothing to help. Family murdered? Don't expect the police to help. You can use the Biden Method and let communities police each other. You know, like how the Nazi's did.
For now maybe move to Chicago and let me know how well not backing the police works out.
 
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I fully support the police. Those that want to 'defund' the police are foolish.
 
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Depends on what you mean by "support". My support mostly starts and ends at paying taxes. I'd probably help an officer if they were being overtaken by an attacker. With respect to police enforcing evil laws, I definitely wouldn't be an informant that tells police where to get the christians, or promote public policy that gives them more money to persecute us.

Preachers will probably be the first ones to get legally persecuted. I doubt the police will bother asking church members information, but if they did, i probably wouldn't give them any information that would incriminate a preacher for anything that should be freedom of speech. We still have to support the enforcement of righteous laws. I think a lot of police officers with a conscience will also not actively enforce laws that are evil, and they will eventually get in trouble too. But once there's a crackdown on the common christian, whether or not you should support the police will probably be the last thing on your mind.
 
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RaceBoy said:
I personally support individual officers when they do what is right, but i would never trust/support the police as a whole.
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We should support "policing" which means maintaining law and order. But the issue of supporting "police" is rather more complex. The police have been acting as COVID Gestapo in the free world, and that is a very serious matter.

Not a single police commissioner has said "This is unacceptable. We do not treat law-abiding citizens as criminals simply because corrupt politicians want to promote COVID tyranny". The only person (to the best of my knowledge) who has stood up is the Sheriff of LA county who has said that he will not enforce mask mandates, since there is no science behind them.

What the police and RCMP did in Alberta recently when dealing with law-abiding pastors and churches was disgraceful and shameful. And the police have not been held accountable. Ever since the Nazis did their dirty deeds, the excuse of "We were just following orders" won't wash.

And then we had the plain stupidity of Derek Chauvin, which led to a lot of rioting and nonsense, and his incarceration. At the very least stupid people should not be on the police forces, and there have been too many such stupid incidents.
 
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Having personally known cops in my life, yes I support them. I believe cops should have more mental health resources to help them handle the stress and tremendous workloads they face.

Their job is not easy. And like any other profession, there are going to be some bad apples.
 
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Subhumanoidal said:
My dad was a cop. I wanted to be a cop. I support the police. They're imperfect, and there are some bad ones, but overall most seem to have the right intent.
As of right now they are still protecting people, saving lives, preventing suicides, running into gunfire, facing riots, a risk of execution style ambush, a public demoralizing by politicians, etc...
Maybe one day they will turn the wrong direction, but for now they aren't.

Please understand that i know there are good people in law enforcement, but there job is not to serve the public. Yes they do a lot of good things for people such as what you listed, but that does not change the fact that most of them enforce unjust laws.

I also believe people who don't support the police don't deserve the benefits of having them around or their services. So if you get in a bad car accident and are trapped, police would do nothing to help. Family murdered? Don't expect the police to help. You can use the Biden Method and let communities police each other. You know, like how the Nazi's did.
For now maybe move to Chicago and let me know how well not backing the police works out.
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I can agree that if people don't want something or someone then don't use it/them. But we don't need a police officer for a car accident, and when a family is murdered usually a detective would handle that. Really we don't need a police officer for every situation we come across. We need policing but we don't need cops spending most of their time enforcing unjust laws, while occasionally actually helping people.
 
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TenderHeart said:
Having personally known cops in my life, yes I support them. I believe cops should have more mental health resources to help them handle the stress and tremendous workloads they face.

Their job is not easy. And like any other profession, there are going to be some bad apples.
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I agree cops need more mental health resources and deserve a six figure salary, but the "bad apples" saying, although makes sense, is massively flawed.
 
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I agree cops need more mental health resources and deserve a six figure salary, but the "bad apples" saying, although makes sense, is massively flawed.
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OK so you’re going say that my statement is massively flawed but not give a reason as to why…? Please explain
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
What the police and RCMP did in Alberta recently when dealing with law-abiding pastors and churches was disgraceful and shameful. And the police have not been held accountable.
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From what I understand, there's no way for them to be held accountable, because that's the law up there in Canada now. It's not that they're obeying unlawful orders- the law itself is upside-down.
 
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OK so you’re going say that my statement is massively flawed but not give a reason as to why…? Please explain
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For starters, when people say "its just a few bad apples" they're missing the point. Bad apples can't apply to police because police have the power to take life, jail/arrest people, force people to go to court,etc. So we can't have bad police officers. Second when someone acts stupid in most other jobs they would be fired in a short period of time, cops can take weeks or even months. Yes i know they have to investigate and i have no problem with that, but cops get to enjoy far greater protections both for there job (retirements, pensions, etc) and legally (qualified immunity, benefit of the doubt, etc) that most of us could only dream of. If starbucks does something wrong i can just shop somewhere else, if my local department does something wrong i just have to deal with it and hope they get held accountable.
 
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From what I understand, there's no way for them to be held accountable, because that's the law up there in Canada now. It's not that they're obeying unlawful orders- the law itself is upside-down.
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This is basically what i'm saying. the police are not really on our side as they only do what the state tells them to. Yes they do good things for people but I'm sure they're gonna be the first ones arrest us when the time comes.
 
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I mean there’s bad apples regarding doctors also. How come you don’t put them in the same category? There are doctors who kill people and get away with it all the time with no punishment.
 
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SomeDisciple said:
It's not that they're obeying unlawful orders- the law itself is upside-down.
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The "law" was unlawful under the Nazis and it was unlawful under all the Canadian premiers and prime minister. And that was exactly my point. "We are simply following orders" won't wash when the law is unconstitutional and illegal.

Had the judges been true to their oaths of office, they would have ruled all COVID rules and regulations as unconstitutional (which has actually been the case in Spain recently). There was no science behind any of this. And the police commissioners had a moral and legal duty to determine if there was any science behind the COVID tyranny (just like the Sheriff of LA county has done). Especially after the Nuremberg trials and the Nuremberg Code.
 
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I mean there’s bad apples regarding doctors also. How come you don’t put them in the same category? There are doctors who kill people and get away with it all the time with no punishment.
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I haven't read anything about that, and if its true its important to make sure if they're doing it on purpose or my mistakes. SO i'm asking you, are doctors intentionally killing people ? Or is just medical errors ?
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
The "law" was unlawful under the Nazis and it was unlawful under all the Canadian premiers and prime minister. And that was exactly my point. "We are simply following orders" won't wash when the law is unconstitutional and illegal.

Had the judges been true to their oaths of office, they would have ruled all COVID rules and regulations as unconstitutional (which has actually been the case in Spain recently). There was no science behind any of this. And the police commissioners had a moral and legal duty to determine if there was any science behind the COVID tyranny (just like the Sheriff of LA county has done). Especially after the Nuremberg trials and the Nuremberg Code.
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and, to add to this, any law enforcement agency that backs up the gov. door to door vax checks that were announced a couple of weeks ago, they are violating their oaths in awful way...
 
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RaceBoy said:
I haven't read anything about that, and if its true its important to make sure if they're doing it on purpose or my mistakes. SO i'm asking you, are doctors intentionally killing people ? Or is just medical errors ?
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Abortion doctors.
 
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What about doctors giving out the vaccine for Covid. I could also put them in the similar category.

too much?
 
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