Is it Biblically permissive to beat one's wife?

Are you saying that we do not respond in the same way as many mammals? Are you denying that some women do get sexually stimulated by being disciplined?

he said as he stamped his foot and made an angry face

If somebody told me 2+2=green, I wouldn’t say, “Wow, that’s profound. I never thought of that. Maybe you’re right.” I’m well aware that society does not act and think within the confines of Christ-likeness. The world doesn’t program me. I observe behaviour and analyze why people would act like they do. Those who are not born of the spirit have only the flesh to lead them. The chemistry exists in all of us. We have the decision to serve the flesh or serve God. I choose the latter.

No, I am calm and cool on my end. Your posts are getting childish.

I think most of us are aware that there are some people who eroticize being spanked or spanking someone else. It might be the most common 'kinky' thing there is. It shows up in jokes or comments in movies, occasionally.

I read about 'Christian Domestic Discipline' many years on a website. So I looked it up online. I saw there were comments from women who were very much in favor of it, and some of the men got involved because their wives instigated it.

There are women who eroticize the idea of their man spanking them, disciplining them, etc. They associate it with masculinity, strength, or whatever.

If a couple have some spanking going on in their bedroom as some kind of sexual (in their mind) activity, is that sinful? Well, if no one is __really hurting___ the other, then I don't really have a strong opinion on that myself. Is it loving? Maybe for them it is sex. It can get into more of a lifestyle thing, where a woman finds a man who is 'in charge' by spanking her if she doesn't live up to his standards is an erotic thing, or something like that. At some point it gets weird to me. I am speaking of my own impressions and feelings on the matter. People can do all kinds of stuff in their bedrooms that might embarrass them if they told others, from lingerie they wear, or rubber suits, or dressing up like a nurse or Batman, or whatever it is people do. Most people probably do little of this, except lingerie which might be kind of popular.

Bedroom play in marriage is different from what most of us think of when we read 'wife beating.'

The Bible does not directly mention wife beating that I know of. But since we are talking about hitting someone, why not consider it form the perspective of what the Old Testament specifically authorized. It allowed disciplining a slave. On the other hand, the New Testament forbade threatening a slave. Beating is more extreme than threatening, so why would beating be allowed for Christians in that type of arrangement. The Proverbs also talk about physical discipline of children. Where did the Old Testament authorize physical discipline of wives.

I'm not a liberal when it comes to gender issues either. I think our society is probably less patriarchal than would be optimal for a society. I do not agree with the underlying assumption that I see from a lot of US evangelicals that God's spiritual plan is to ultimately lead us to certain western values that are not taught in scripture. For example, I do not think it is sinful for the state to allow businesses to require a husband's approval of a wife's financial transaction. I do not see any reason in scripture to think that it is sinful for the state not to allow women the right to vote, or men for that matter. I do not see a mandate for democracy or republics in scripture, either. God gave a number of laws that we might consider patriarchal.

But none of them that I am aware of allow or regulate husbands hitting their wives.

that is not how you come across

You have been trying to police what I say.

When God's moral standard is well seen and that What God himself would not do like spanking a woman to sexually stimulate her, instead of addressing the perversion of sex which is the cause of the abuse on women and the false narrative it is normal. We do not accept the sinful nature we must battle against it. Not justify it.

here's the op again. I think you forgot it.

1 Peter 2:20-25 Proof text used by a study.

Easy-to-Read Version

If you will notice, the passage includes the topic of slaves being beaten for doing what is right, and how that is commendable before God. I addressed some of the themes the author of the OP was trying to pull together.

But, again, I am not aware that you were made moderator of the forum.

if you don't think I am a mod, then why do you keep explaining yourself to me? shrugs

wives are not slaves in the eyes of God.

Nor was that my point. Go back and read my posts if you are curious.

so easily deceived with a statement yet no origin of the cause of the statement yet one accepts the effects.

When God's moral standard is well seen and that What God himself would not do like spanking a woman to sexually stimulate her, instead of addressing the perversion of sex which is the cause of the abuse on women and the false narrative it is normal. We do not accept the sinful nature we must battle against it. Not justify it.

actually yellow and blue make green.

you can say one thing about yourself and even believe it, but you do not have me convinced and I suspect, I am not alone

do you have any biblical response to the question of the thread? I am glad you are done. You are fully aware of HOW God wants US to be? Wow, impressive most Christian look at the word of God to define that.

Mostly in context to the New Testament.

With the word “flesh” we are dealing with something else. Only very rarely does the Biblical phrase “the flesh” (ἡ σὰρξ (he sarx), in Greek) refer only to the physical body (eg. John 6:53; Phil 3:2; 1 John 4:2) , but almost always the phrase refers to something quite distinct from the physical body.

What then is meant by the term “the flesh” (ἡ σὰρξ)? Perhaps most plainly it refers to that part of us that is alienated from God.

It is the rebellious, unruly and obstinate part of our inner self that is operative all the time. It is that part of us that does not want to be told what to do. It is stubborn, refuses correction, and does not want to have a thing to do with God.

It bristles at limits and rules. It recoils at anything that might cause me to be diminished or something less than the center of the universe. The flesh hates to be under authority or to have to yield to anything other than its own wishes and desires.

The flesh deal with the sinful nature

The flesh is in direct conflict with the spirit.


1. The Flesh does not grasp spiritual teachings – [Jesus said] The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. (John 6:63)

2. The flesh is not willing to depend on anyone or anything outside its own power or control

3. The Flesh hates to be told what to do

4. Flesh is as flesh does – Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the spirit have their minds set on what the spirit desires. The concern of the flesh is death, but the concern of the spirit is life and peace (Rom 8:5-6)


5. The Flesh is intrinsically hostile to God – The mind of the flesh is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God. (Rom 8:7-8)

6. The Flesh abuses freedom – You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another in love. (Gal 5:13)

7. The Flesh Demands to be fed – So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. (Gal 5:16-17)

8. The Flesh fuels sin – The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God (Gal 5:19-210)


here end your lesson and be free from your addictions

I think most of us are aware that there are some people who eroticize being spanked or spanking someone else. It might be the most common 'kinky' thing there is. It shows up in jokes or comments in movies, occasionally.

I read about 'Christian Domestic Discipline' many years on a website. So I looked it up online. I saw there were comments from women who were very much in favor of it, and some of the men got involved because their wives instigated it.

There are women who eroticize the idea of their man spanking them, disciplining them, etc. They associate it with masculinity, strength, or whatever.

If a couple have some spanking going on in their bedroom as some kind of sexual (in their mind) activity, is that sinful? Well, if no one is __really hurting___ the other, then I don't really have a strong opinion on that myself. Is it loving? Maybe for them it is sex. It can get into more of a lifestyle thing, where a woman finds a man who is 'in charge' by spanking her if she doesn't live up to his standards is an erotic thing, or something like that. At some point it gets weird to me. I am speaking of my own impressions and feelings on the matter. People can do all kinds of stuff in their bedrooms that might embarrass them if they told others, from lingerie they wear, or rubber suits, or dressing up like a nurse or Batman, or whatever it is people do. Most people probably do little of this, except lingerie which might be kind of popular.

Bedroom play in marriage is different from what most of us think of when we read 'wife beating.'

The Bible does not directly mention wife beating that I know of. But since we are talking about hitting someone, why not consider it form the perspective of what the Old Testament specifically authorized. It allowed disciplining a slave. On the other hand, the New Testament forbade threatening a slave. Beating is more extreme than threatening, so why would beating be allowed for Christians in that type of arrangement. The Proverbs also talk about physical discipline of children. Where did the Old Testament authorize physical discipline of wives.

I'm not a liberal when it comes to gender issues either. I think our society is probably less patriarchal than would be optimal for a society. I do not agree with the underlying assumption that I see from a lot of US evangelicals that God's spiritual plan is to ultimately lead us to certain western values that are not taught in scripture. For example, I do not think it is sinful for the state to allow businesses to require a husband's approval of a wife's financial transaction. I do not see any reason in scripture to think that it is sinful for the state not to allow women the right to vote, or men for that matter. I do not see a mandate for democracy or republics in scripture, either. God gave a number of laws that we might consider patriarchal.

But none of them that I am aware of allow or regulate husbands hitting their wives.

Once again you troll me in with your naivety. Understanding is not justifying. Do you think spanking a child is ok?

You totally understood the message. Good job. For the record I don’t believe in evolution OR spanking women. Your assumptions are based on your imagination. I never promoted either. I will however give credit where credit is due. You’re correct about one thing, yellow and blue make green. Gold star!

This has been an exhausting thread. All I eluded to was that some women wouldn’t mind being disciplined by corporal punishment. Like you said about it being a demonstration of dominance and authority, in a world that no longer properly defines masculinity correctly, it is substitute for the carnal cravings to procreate with genetic superiority by females