Doctrine of Unconditional Election

The passage i cited is interconnected with what you are saying. You cannot just ignore them. Thanks anyway, but i think you are not yet ready for scriptural discussion.

The scriptures I needed were in Rom 9 context, this thread isnt a study of Rom 9. Within the context of Rom 9 it teaches unconditional election to Salvation.

No its not.

Read the 1st 5 verses, Its about Pauls people in the flesh (Israel)

Yes it is. I have read Rom 9 a multitude of times to include a indebt study of the whole chapter. It teaches within it the unconditional election of individuals, its crystal clear, it baffles me how anyone can deny it.

It baffles me how anyone can read romans 9 - 11 and not see that it speaks of Israel. And Gods chosing of them. And how not only did he not make a mistake But it was prophesied that a people who were not Gods would come, and they would fall. But in the end. Gods calling is sure. Because those people who are unnatural branches will fall also. And in the end, All Israel will be saved.

God did not chose to save one baby and condemn the other to hell before they were born. He chose to make one child great and love him and the other baby would become a nation that served the younger. And which God would in the end hate because of his sin and take out.

The Jews were referred to as the elect in scripture.


You are trying to twist it into meaning the “elect” are those who God has elected to save, while the rest are those who God didn’t elect to saved.



Again, the elect primarily refers to the Jews, whom Paul desired to see them receive salvation.


Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:10



God desires all men to be saved.



For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
John 3:16-17



For God so loved the world elect that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him is predestined to be saved should not perish but have everlasting life. Calvinism 3:16






JPT

Election primary referred to the Jews, in which they were elected to purpose, not elected for salvation as some falsely claim.



I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen. Romans 9:1-5

• who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

Romans 9 must be read within this context… from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came


People take verse like this out of context, and try to make it mean that God hates some people and destines them for hell, while loving others and destines them to be saved and go to heaven.

• And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.” Romans 9:10-13

Jacob was elected to be the bloodline of the Messiah, not Esau.


The election was according to purpose, not salvation.


The purpose — from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came




JPT

It baffles me that one can read Rom 9 and fail to see how God speaks on unconditional election in its context !

I must reiterate that election unconditionally in Christ before the foundation has absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity.

whatever.

This just goes to show I can not look to you for scriptural honesty

Its crystal clear that in Rom 9 Gods word teaches unconditional election. Speaking of His purpose of election to Salvation its written Rom 9:11

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

Not of works means it was unconditional, not based upon the foreseen actions of the brothers, for election took place before they were born, it cant be spelled out any plainer.

You take this verse out of context

The context i Israel and Gods chosing them

The children are jacob (Israel) and Esau (Edom)

yu cant take one verse and make it the context for three chapters

Well I guess you can (SMH)

Please quote the exact verse that shows that election is to salvation, from ANY book in the Bible. I won't limit you to just Romans.

But since you claim Romans 9 is about election to salvation, prove it with clear verses, please.

Since God chose (elect) the people of Israel, do you believe that every single Jew in the OT were saved?

Im highlighting whats obviously in the context.

Im showing you scripture for unconditional election in Rom 9

Unconditional election to Salvation has absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity, zelch !

Obvious?

You gave one verse.

I gave snipets from all three chapters.

But hey, Believe what you want.

Yeah obvious.

This is what I asked for:
FreeGrace2 said:
Please quote the exact verse that shows that election is to salvation, from ANY book in the Bible. I won't limit you to just Romans.

But since you claim Romans 9 is about election to salvation, prove it with clear verses, please.

Do you have any verses that clearly state that election is for salvation?