Is modern praise and worship simply a form of conjuring?

there is a Hebrew WORD IN THE CONTEXT OF Praising God that means Dancing and making a joyful noise shout of praise, a singing choir, on playing instruments. it is also words for worship too.

You never did answer my question. In 2 Samuel there was also the ark. If you follow what you're saying to its logical conclusion we should also keep an ark in the church so we can wheel it in and celebrate. We should also all wear ephods in church services.

I'm also waiting for an answer to where it says anyone in the church was filled with the Holy Spirit and danced before the lord. You keep making what you think are witty comments but you don't seem to have any substance; I'll let that speak for itself.

You never did answer my question. In 2 Samuel there was also the ark. If you follow what you're saying to its logical conclusion we should also keep an ark in the church so we can wheel it in and celebrate. We should also all wear ephods in church services.

I'm also waiting for an answer to where it says anyone in the church was filled with the Holy Spirit and danced before the lord. You keep making what you think are witty comments but you don't seem to have any substance; I'll let that speak for itself.

You said: "In 2 Samuel there was also the ark. If you follow what you're saying to its logical conclusion we should also keep an ark in the church so we can wheel it in and celebrate. We should also all wear ephods in church services."

Just when i thought it could not get any better - again thank you for the lol x100

I had an idea that scripture was in there but not sure where . Am glad I didn't just imagine it!
thanks for sharing

At many charismatic churches, praise and worship can last from 30 to 45 minutes or even longer. The supposed purpose of this is to "call down" the Holy Spirit. But does the Holy Spirit really need to be called down, or is this just a way to get people into an emotional state of pleasure and receptivity? Does this sort of thing honor God or are we honoring the creature more than the Creator?

One song that comes to mind is Kari Jobe's "Holy Spirit." The reason I remember it is because the lyrics are clearly an invitation to the Spirit to fall, or come down. Here's the live video.


Virtually every charismatic church and especially megachurches use music to get the audience "in the mood." Maybe we should consider who or what is actually being conjured by this.

Good Morning my Brother in Christ

I guess Proverbs 29:9 is true after all: "If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet."

You never did answer my question. In 2 Samuel there was also the ark. If you follow what you're saying to its logical conclusion we should also keep an ark in the church so we can wheel it in and celebrate. We should also all wear ephods in church services.

I'm also waiting for an answer to where it says anyone in the church was filled with the Holy Spirit and danced before the lord. You keep making what you think are witty comments but you don't seem to have any substance; I'll let that speak for itself.

I have some hard personal limits on what happens on Sunday, but they are for me. Others may do as they wish. Loud Rock, heavy bass music is not acceptable. I go to Sunday worship for Communion and to worship God and Jesus.

I guess Proverbs 29:9 is true after all: "If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet."

How do you get "logical conclusion" from this? I'm just asking a simple question. I'd like to hear your opinion. I'm not saying dancing in the Spirit is wrong necessarily. I'm just curious why the Old Testament is always invoked to justify it.

Okay, so your argument is based on some extra-biblical assumptions about the trinity?

Aren't there differences between the roles of the Father, Son, and Spirit? Did the Spirit die on the cross and rise again? Did the Son declare the Father to be the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead? Did the Spirit send the Son to the saints as a Comforter after the ascension?

Wasn't the Ark of the covenant a shadow of things to come? Like all the feast days and the tabernacle and shabbat?

They are foreshadows of God's covenant with Israel extending to all nations and the gospel of Christ ??

Jesus is inside of us. We are indwelled by the Holy ?spirit . A tabernacle is no longer needed

Here's a video of one of the shining examples of Christianity and a "move of the 'spirit'". Everyone in the audience finds it quite humorous. I wonder how God sees it?

Would it bother you at all to know that Jobe's album, Majestic, which features the song "Holy Spirit," is on the Sparrow Records label? Let's break this down: Universal Music Group is the head>Universal owns Capitol Christian Music Group (CCMG)>Sparrow Records is part of Captial Christian Music Group. CCMG is the "Christian" arm of Captiol Records which has produced artists like Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Alice in Chains, Butthole Surfers, and the like.

My point is this, Capitol is in the business of making $$$, not promoting Jesus. One arm produces artists like those previously mentioned and the other produces Christian artists. They couldn't care less so long as the cash keeps rolling in. Kari Jobe, and many other contemporary worship music artists like her have sold out to Satan to have hit records and to make a name for themselves.

I'm sorry if this spoils the image you have of some of your favorite CWM artists, but as Christians, what are we in the business of: truth or idol worship?

Kari Jobe, and many other contemporary worship music artists like her have sold out to Satan to have hit records and to make a name for themselves.

That is a great verse.

Do you know of any scripture that talks about praising or praying to the Holy Spirit?