How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

Thanks for the show of humility - it's a nice change from the recent trend...

I am just a bit suprised you didn't label him with 'general'.

I do not know what his "level of scholarly achievement" is supposed to be. But, I commend him for giving honest effort to in-depth study of the scriptures - even to the extent of detail found in the original languages. Yet, I would certainly not put him on nearly as high a pedestal as you do. (or, seem to want to)

I believe he - like some others on here (all of whom I like and respect for the people that they are - or, certainly seem to be) - makes some [common] 'grammar of the language' mistakes when interpreting scripture.

It is neccessary to "balance" the 'trees' and the 'forest' when considering the overall meaning of words / phrases / verses in scripture.

If you look too closely at the trees while not keeping the forest in proper view, you can all-too-easily start [re-]defining everything - including the forest - erroneously - based strictly on the bark and the leaves - forgetting the roots and the branches.

@TheDivineWatermark - I believe this is an unfortunate "bad habit" with you. I want to encourage you to "balance" the 'scope' of your examination of the bark, leaves, roots, branches, trunk, shape, height, etc. of the trees as well as the patterns they make in the forest.


Yes, it does. And, if you can maintain humility in heart and mind, it will count for all-the-more...

Along with "always being ready to give an answer" - how about we all try to be ready to 'discuss' the matter at hand with a proper attitude that is encouraged by brotherly love in Christ - not "pulling out the weapons of war", as it were, or any such similar thing.

A word being a later form of another word is same as saying a word has a root word.

No it isn't.


Saying "LATER FORM FOR [_____]" ...

...is NOT the same as saying...

... "THE ROOT FORM of [such and such] is [______]".


No.

Yes. You are wrong to force another word's definition onto a later formed word. The two words are different and have different definitions. This is dishonest and is clearly a desperate move to try to insert pretrib into a non-rapture text. It's further ridicolousness that people take a word meaning Apostasy and say they want to commit it because of this false idea that it can have definition of a different word! This is the highest form of biblical ignorance and it is very dangerous to the soul because Apostasy is serious business....lake of fire business!

The two words are different and have different definitions.

It's a departure from Christ and faith in him. All scholars agree on this. You are wrong.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The word "falling away" is apostasia from where we get the words Apostate and Apostasy. Obviously it means a moral and spiritual "departure" not a physical departure.

G646
a?p?stas?´a
apostasia
Thayer Definition:
1) a falling away, defection, apostasy
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: feminine of the same as G647
Citing in TDNT: 1:513, 88

Total KJV occurrences: 2

The only other use of this word in the bible was people departing from the teachings of Moses which is an Apostasy from his teachings. Neither use has anything to do with simply going somewhere physically.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; (1Ti 4:1 AV)

ἀφίστημι (aphístēmi | af-is'-tay-mee)
Derivation: from G575 and G2476;
Strong's: to remove, i.e. (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.
KJV: —depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.
See: G575
See: G2476
Cognate Group: G646 (falling away), G1370 (division), G868 (depart)

It's still the same Greek word that would mean a departure from the true faith....none of those bibles are going to be referring to the Rapture in that verse.

The LORD says: "In the mouth of two or more witnesses shall every word be established." Matt 18:16
The 'Falling Away" is a departure from the truth, which is the Gospel.

Not disputing, but there are different words used.
Not wonder why?

If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

If we reject CLEAR, plain as the light of day, Scripture then disputing over words will only escalate the error/confusion.

Hey again!

Word study is confusion? Not rejecting His word, Holy Spirit doesnt instruct in confusion.
Not all words do not mean the same thing in Bible as to Enlgish....
Study is a commandment, not a request.

Like this word sword......
swordG3162 of the Spirit
μάχαιρα (máchaira | makh'-ahee-rah)
Derivation: probably feminine of a presumed derivative of G3163;
Strong's: a knife, i.e. dirk; figuratively, war, judicial punishment

Not a rapier or broadsword, a dagger, up close and personal with the Word of God.....
The Lord asked Peter did he love Him, not the same words used.

So no confusion here,
Again, The Lord of my Salvation sorts the "garbage" and keeps in me that which is good to keep.....
God bless!

"some" (Strong's NT 5100) may be better translated as "a certain one"....

Refer back to the Scripture i posted. The confusion is when we reject what God did say and seek to do 'word studies' in an attempt to prove something HE did NOT say = perfect example is the error of pre-trib rapture and the evidence of such 'word study errors' is very clear here in some posts - i am NOT saying yours - REPEAT - iam NOT saying yours.

word change is of the curse from the tower of babel = confusion.the gentiles may continue in lack transparency because sin has them bond.

By the Death of our Lord and saviour those who are His are free from Babel=confusion and from Egypt= Bondage,
translated into His Kingdom

Just to note (per the 1Tim4:1 passage you are referencing), it is "plural" in this verse.






[...whereas, in Matt24:4 / Mk13:5 that same word is in the "singular" ('a certain one [singular]')]

A slightly different form of the same word is translated 'forsake' in Acts 21:21.

Does your bible version say 'forsake' Moses - or does it say "make a departure from Moses"...???