2 Thessalonians 2:3 "the departure" IS intentionally describing the RAPTURE.

the most vivid depiction of the rapture in the bible and you can not read it without me reading it to you????

Jesus is sitting - He is not Coming with the Saints - 1 Thess 4;

Jesus has a sickle - the sickle is not rapture - it is a tool to cut with - Harvesting Souls in the Great Tribulation through death.
Revelation 14:12-14
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.”
Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.

Do not add to Gods' words less He rebuke you as a liar - Prov 30

You are referring to a chapter in Matthew - but you cannot post a specific scripture from it???

i know Matthew 25 and there is no pre-trib rapture - go find it and post it - SIMPLE

If He has no sickle in 1 thess 4 , sitting doing what?

Jesus gathering people FROM THE EARTH during the trib.

Destroys your entire deal

Revelation 14: 12-14
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.”
Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.

Reaping the souls of His Saints of the Great Tribulation, just HE said - do not add or take away to God's words.

If he is sitting on a cloud, during the trib, and TOLD TO GATHER TO HIMSELF A SPECIFIC group.....

Then i better not hold fast to some doctrine that that event DESTROYS

Yes, you die on earth not Heaven - ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ”

Yes, the group of Saints who die on earth not Heaven - ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ”

You are almost to a point of actually reading it.

Kinda sad how you need it emasculated

We eat ice cream too.

Your conclusions are adding to the bible

There are 3 groups gathered in rev 14

None of them depicted as dead

You added that to Gods word

Hello,
Your conflating two different instances, even from your own words
you said:
"Jesus is sitting - He is not Coming with the Saints - 1 Thess 4;"
No, for saints the TRUE Church "shall be caught upG726"
"Jesus has a sickle - the sickle is not rapture - it is a tool to cut with - Harvesting Souls in the Great Tribulation through death.
Revelation 14:12-14 "
Those who remain He will separate, the wheat from the tares.....

God Bless!

No Jesus does not kill anyone with a sickle

You litterally made that up

End of 1 Thess 4

(1Th 4:18) Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Amazing.....

RIGHT - are you catching on yet -

Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.”
Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.

The Resurrection will NOT occur until the completion of the Fifth Seal takes place - just as we see in Revelation 14

When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. - Same as Rev 14:12-14

Here is the Resurrection in Revelation chapter 20 just a the LORD said in Matthew 24

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.
And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection.
Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

lol

Still havent answer the question. Actually a few, others have asked, refuse straight anwer.
It is ok not to know everything.

in 1 thess 4 , "sitting doing what?"

Yes, truly amazing how you twist and conflate scripture.

Revelation 14 says "the death of the Saints" No rapture

Revelation 20 the first Resurrection after the completion of the fifth Seal - the death of the Saints

Those who the LORD Keeps are the ones who are alive at His Coming after the Tribulation - Matt 24, Rev 6, Rev 14, Rev 20

Christ is not sitting in 1 Thess 4

but He is sitting with a sickle in His hand Rev 14 - because He is Reaping His Saints thru this = ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’

Christ does not have a sickle in His hand in 1 Thess 4 because He has now Come to RESURRECT the DEAD in HIM.

Amazing