How can we uphold the law through faith? Romans 3:31

How can you say "when it serves the purpose for when it was given" We are told of many ways we are to use the law, there are many ways to use the law unless you cherry pick scripture about the ways we are to use it. Psalm 119:1 even says:
"Blessed are those whose ways are blameless, who walk according to the law of the Lord."

Through the law comes the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20). By faith in Jesus Christ we don't cancel the law, but we confirm it by admitting our sin and repenting.

God is the God of the Gentiles as well as Jews (Romans 3:29). The Jews practiced the law of Moses but generally the Gentiles didn't. So if works of the law of Moses could save then what about the Gentiles, how could they be saved? The law condemns all of sin, Jews and Gentiles. So Jews are saved by faith as are Gentiles.

"For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin."—Romans 3:20

we cannot use the law at all

the purpose of the law was to reveal sin as walknlight said. 20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. Romans 3:20

this verse very plainly states that the knowledge of sin comes through the law

how do you explain using the law, when the main purpose of the law is to reveal sin and thereby condemn the sinner?

are your ways blameless from observing the law?

you cannot jump from Romans to Psalm 119 and in some way say they are saying the same thing.

you actually 'cherry picked' a verse for your op, so do not tell others not to do the same. I don't agree with using one verse to make a point. scripture should always be kept in context or you end up with all kinds of ideas that are not biblical

It sounds so funny to me the law of Moses not god.It was the false christian attempt to be separated from the old testament and the Jewish stuff.To start their own religion,,false religion but with the teachings of Jesus.In reality it was the law from god given by Moses.Other then that it's mostly or pride and lack of patience that causes us to make bible mistakes.

Read the Ten Commandments in Deuteronomy 5. They were given by God to the children of Israel when He rescued them from Egypt. Were any Gentiles rescued from slavery in Egypt? Some of the Egyptians came with the Israelites, but God didn't rescue them "out of the land of slavery." (v. 6) So the answer is no. The law was for the Jews but it condemns everyone under sin.

Of course it was God's law given through Moses. Everyone knows that, so pointing out it's not really "Moses' law" is fairly pointless.

ResidentAlien wow! you mist so many post then!.And yes they know at lest deep down.No your wrong all slave of the Jews had to be taught the law and circumcised.And any strangers that joined themselves to them the law was for them to!Beside your missing a fundamental point.Sin is the land of Egypt ie slavery of the soul. god cares about the spirit.The law was to serve the spirit more then the flesh.Don't have time at the moment peace.

Okay, but I'm not really sure what is your point.

The people asked for Moses and not God

“And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear:

but let not God speak with us, lest we die.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:19‬ ‭KJV‬

God answered that request and promised to send Jesus to speak his word later

“According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:16-19‬ ‭

Moses law is because of thier transgression when Moses went to God for them and they worshipped the calf and called it thier god and thier sins never ceased

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;

and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law is ordained of angels because they transgressed

“And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. …..Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:41-42, 51, 53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is what was said after Moses interceded for them

“And Moses returned unto the Lord, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin―; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee:

nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them. And the Lord plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:31-35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is what Paul is saying about the law being ordained of angels and set into Moses hand until Christ came to fulfill the promises made of the messiah for all nations the promise of Abraham

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses law was until the gospel came in Christ, it’s different because it’s meant for new forgiven repentant people who have thier sins remitted in baptism and are called his beloved children. Those he lived and suffered and died for to save us from our own sins and the curse of death coming for us all.

Moses law was meant to be fulfilled by Christ when the gospel came to pass and was sent forth from Jerusalem to all creatures. So it was given into the ordination of the angels

“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it is Gods word of authority , given to the angels to Keep for himself a seed in israel until the promised messiah came to speak his word for all nations and believers in the world.

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

once the gospel comes , the law becomes a clear witness and pattern of what was coming but has no redeeming value left in keeping its works much knowledge and understanding of the gospel but no works of that law remain we needed a new way Accusing people of sin is no longer needed and can never save anyone’s soul but the gospel can

“Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Moses being chosen to deliver isreal from slavery in Egypt was only a foreshadow of the messiah who would deliver all nations of believers in the One Lord Jesus Christ, our from slavery to sin and death

like the blueprint and rough draft once the house is built they have no longer any redeeming value. Great for understanding how the house was built holy and good but just not for Christians Christ said the things that are for Christians , Moses said the things for Israel to Obey when they came into thier promosed land. That’s not the New Testament promised land we have the gospel it’s able to redeem us rather than condemn us

I would say by recognizing those who are in Christ do not make a habit of sinning, because we are redeemed from our sins eternally, and the power sin has over us due to being indwelt by the law giver, the Holy Spirit.
The law now is to serve us by exposing what is sin in the world, as we navigate this world. And in so doing, we condemn that sin by recognizing it for what it is and moving ahead in righteousness, right-ness, through Christ.
We're not perfect. We're forgiven. And if we slip, we have an advocate for us with the Father, Jesus.
Saints are not Sinners. Praise God.

I think we can look at it this way:

The faith that is required of us is faith that works by love. Galatia 5:6. Faith and love are intrinsically connected in that Faith without love is nothing. 1Corinthians 13:2. Therefore, through faith that works by love, we establish the law because as the scripture tells us , Love is the fulfilment of the law.

Paul tells us in Romans 13:8 -10 to love one another for love is the fulfilment of the law. For this, thou shall not commit adultery, thou shall not kill, thou shall not steal, thou shall not bear false witness, thou shall not covet and if there is any other commandment it is briefly comprehended in this saying, thou shall love your neighbor as thyself. Love works no ill to his neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

We see here even Paul sees the relevance of the law for believers. The ten commandments remain relevant to us today but the way and manner to fulfil them have changed. The methodology has changed.

We can also view it from the angle of being made righteous by faith. Since there is no sin in righteousness, the righteous can neither sin nor break the law for sin is the transgression of the law.- 1 John 3: 4. The righteous man is continually walking in the light and in the Spirit and is therefore, not subject to the law in the real sense of it for the law is not made for the righteous but for the sinner. 1 Timothy 1:9. By this, the righteous establishes the law by faith----- that works with love.

The righteous man as used here is one that is continually walking in the light and in the Spirit as against "one who is not". For it is possible for "one who is not" to continue to fall into sin.

but let not God speak with us, lest we die.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:19‬ ‭KJV‬

God answered that request and promised to send Jesus to speak his word later

“According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:16-19‬ ‭

Moses law is because of thier transgression when Moses went to God for them and they worshipped the calf and called it thier god and thier sins never ceased

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;

and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law is ordained of angels because they transgressed

“And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. …..Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:41-42, 51, 53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is what was said after Moses interceded for them

“And Moses returned unto the Lord, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin―; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee:

nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them. And the Lord plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:31-35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is what Paul is saying about the law being ordained of angels and set into Moses hand until Christ came to fulfill the promises made of the messiah for all nations the promise of Abraham

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses law was until the gospel came in Christ, it’s different because it’s meant for new forgiven repentant people who have thier sins remitted in baptism and are called his beloved children. Those he lived and suffered and died for to save us from our own sins and the curse of death coming for us all.

Moses law was meant to be fulfilled by Christ when the gospel came to pass and was sent forth from Jerusalem to all creatures. So it was given into the ordination of the angels

“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it is Gods word of authority , given to the angels to Keep for himself a seed in israel until the promised messiah came to speak his word for all nations and believers in the world.

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

once the gospel comes , the law becomes a clear witness and pattern of what was coming but has no redeeming value left in keeping its works much knowledge and understanding of the gospel but no works of that law remain we needed a new way Accusing people of sin is no longer needed and can never save anyone’s soul but the gospel can

“Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Moses being chosen to deliver isreal from slavery in Egypt was only a foreshadow of the messiah who would deliver all nations of believers in the One Lord Jesus Christ, our from slavery to sin and death

like the blueprint and rough draft once the house is built they have no longer any redeeming value. Great for understanding how the house was built holy and good but just not for Christians Christ said the things that are for Christians , Moses said the things for Israel to Obey when they came into thier promosed land. That’s not the New Testament promised land we have the gospel it’s able to redeem us rather than condemn us[/QUOTE]
Pilgrimshope i see the same thing give us the bible not god.

I think the law of Moses included commands that were earthly, like cutting skin and regulating the diet. God established a kingdom for the Hebrews to show the nations how God worked, but when Christ came be changed that kingdom to the kingdom of heaven, the law of Moses is no more and not for us to consider. By accepting Christ, we accept the kingdom of heaven he established here on earth, it is regulated by the spirit of the law, not the law of Moses.

Obedience to this law is much more than only pointing us to our need for Christ. There are many, many scriptures about this law, all of them truth. One use of law is as a guide to expressing love for the Lord. The scripture I quoted in this OP tells us that through the law we learn what faith in Christ means, for Christ gives us how to live for Him in the gospels, and law defines that faith. It is of Christ.

Through the law comes the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20) so the law is as the forbidden fruit?The bible says of it self the law condemns the letter kills also like good for reproof correction.Now i'm telling us we need to be closer to him then that.Or we are not much better,then the world.

How could we hope to be close to the Lord if we do not repent of our sin? God can not be part of sin, if we want to walk with the Lord we cannot want to walk with sin. It is enough that we are flesh and if we say we are sinless we are not telling the truth. We need to give our desires to the Lord and accept His ways as our preference, or in the language of scripture we need to repent.

Grabbing one verse out of context is not helpful. The letter to the Galatians puts the full story. I don't know any real Christian who says that the law is wrong. Faith agrees with God. Yes, the Law is right. Unbelief says that the law does not apply and that people can reject God and His ways.

The problem is not with the law, it is with us. The law is good, as Paul says, but we are unable to keep it, even with the best of intentions. As as been said many times, the purpose of the Law is to convict sinners and lead them to Christ. Once a person has come to Christ, he has a new nature that is no longer subject to the law. Who has not tied up his shoelaces on the Sabbath? If we were subject to the law, that would be a death sentence.

Galatians 2:20 is much quoted but obviously not understood by all. And there is an all important verse that rarely gets quoted, verse 19.

19For through the law I died to the law so that I might live to God. 20I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.…

Who would bring a dead person before the courts? What sentence would you give a dead offender? It's pointless. Now if we really believe that our old man is dead and buried, and that Lord Jesus really lives in us, our attitude would be entirely different. We would depend on Him to cause us to live in a way that pleases God. The Law is the shadow. (Colossians 2:17). I prefer to live in the Light.

In response to the OP only,

As concerning condemnation we are not under the law (Romans 6:14) are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6). See also Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18-19, Galatians 5:18.

As concerning obedience we are under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21).

The law has been written on our hearts and minds for those of us who are in the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

Just as we are saved, not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9) but are saved unto good works (Ephesians 2:10); so we are not saved by or through law-keeping (Galatians 2:16) but we are saved unto law-keeping (Ezekiel 36:25-27).

If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; old things have passed away; behold, all things are become new!

So then, as I bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn me in my behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Which means that in bearing the fruit of the Spirit, I become a law-abiding citizen of the kingdom of heaven.

However, this righteousness is not achieved by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts; but it is obtained by faith as I receive the Spirit by faith (Galatians 3:14, Ephesians 1:13-14) and begin to bear His fruit in my life.

This is a righteousness apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is righteousness indeed.

Because if I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in me (Romans 8:4).

And also, if I am spiritually-minded, I have peace with God, because my mind is subject to the law of the Lord and cannot be otherwise (Romans 8:7).

Have you noticed that Christ in the gospels never mentions being careful of the law, but Paul often does. It isn't that Paul does not agree with Christ for it states in Romans 6:16 “Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?”

If you lived by faith in Christ you would follow Christ and Christ followed the law. You cannot have Christ within and treat the law as something dead. We are dead to the law because the law does not tell us of what brings on our death, we live eternally through the gift of forgiveness Christ offers.

It is such a wonder that when Christ tells us to be loyal to Him and live as strangers to the world that so many find scriptures telling them something different. The twists to scripture are always just a tiny twist, nothing major.

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“But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law was actually what was before faith meant to last until faith came in Christ

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19, 23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is the law of the lord

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law of the spirit of life but this is not the law of the lord

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;

and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they asked not to hear Gods word specifically because it was too much to bear they broke immediately the first commandment as Moses was receiving the tablets.

God then declares he will destroy them and bless only Moses but Moses intercedes and saves them by entreating the lord and Moses then imposes his own harsh penalties on the people and returns to God again pleading to save the remainder of the people. Moses even puts his own salvstion on the line for them

God repents and doesn’t destroy them , but only because Moses interceded , instead he tells Moses go lead the people into the land and my angel will go before you and deliver you , beware of him and obey his voice , he will not pardon your sins , I’ve given him authority over you “my name is in him “

“And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

….. Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:41-42, 53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But the New Testament isn’t based on
Mans transgression and Moses intercession . Gods authority given to an angel spoken through his own disposition , then to Moses who himself imposed judgements on the people , finally speaking to the people to the people.

it’s not the same as God himself fulfilling his own promises walking among mankind for a short time in Israel, Father , Son and Holy Ghost in One teaching and explaining and uttering his own word to
Mankind from God to Man calling them near in belief and giving them hope that runneth over if they believe

no angels mediating by thier disposition who are corruptible and no imperfect man mediating who is corruptible but the disposition of God himself who willingly forgives the repentant sinners lifting them up again and not calling for their death sentance.

the New Testament is Gods promise come to pass wher as the Old Testament is for transgression and transgressors who have no repentance

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the gospel is the true law of God it doesn’t speak death to Condemned sinners but speaks forth life to the repentant ones who believe . The old works as a blinder if we try to make it our law and not see it’s witness of Christ whom would come and has now come and will Once more return

it can really confuse and hinder if we don’t understand it isn’t our law and more importantly it was fulfilled in the life and death of Christ


“And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It becomes a veil only if we try to insist it’s our covenant law or make it part of the gospel there are two testaments they have two words one by Moses the other by Christ

, if we accept the gospel of the kingdom we then can see how it’s a witness of Christ in the law and prophets a witness that he was going to come and declare the truth later .

the law Is a great teacher in Christ of prophetic assurance that he is God manifest in the flesh and we’re meant to hear him who spoke Gods eternal words and be saved but if we can’t seperate the law of Moses out of our understanding of God we will never understand him.

“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17-18‬ ‭

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭

the law subverts understanding if we try to mix the two covenant words but to believe the gospel reveals Gods truth to any believer