The meaning of "mature"

We know humanly PIECES OF "what it entails".

Your denial of it being a mystery invokes your need to add into the equasion human understanding.

Guaranteed to muddy up the doctrine

I asked the question. One does not rightly answer a question by asking the same question back.

The meaning of "mature"

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When I think of maturity I think of this passage:

Ephesians 4:13-16
13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Yes
It covers a large spectrum.

And touches many things.

For example, the passage, "can a tree bring forth good and bad fruit?"

There is a pointing to purity .

There is a goal of heaven to take out spots and wrinkles that we may walk in the complete wholeness of heavens intention.

We deny the flesh, we fast to destroy it, we put on the armor to push temptation and demons back.

To bring us into completeness and wholeness a mature servant.

That , outside the work of the cross and His blood is a process of " perfecting" the saints for ministry.

Our standing and covenant are on the basis of covenant and the blood.

justbyfaith said:
And therefore, it is faith in me that tells me that the doctrine of the Trinity is actually very simple; Truth does not matter because he will have mercy on who he will have mercy on

Not to mention I find it to be very simple now that I know what it entails.

@rayzor said:
You are here quoting me as saying something that I did not say.

I d not deny that it is a mystery.

A mystery, in the Bible, is something that was previously hidden but now revealed.

Eph 3:3, How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

No, actually you didn't ask me a question. You said that it cannot be both. I had previously said that it was both. My question is a valid one; but I can see why you don't want to answer.

Yes, I did. Here it is again: "So you're saying that it doesn't actually mean "cannot sin"?"

I have already answered your question. I have said that I believe it to be hyperbole.

Now you answer my question.

Do you consider that 1 John 3:9 is to be taken as literal or as non-literal?

Yes.

So, both?

Before you said that it cannot be both.

So, you appear to be contradicting yourself, friend.

Yes, that is easily explained when you look at Ephesians 4:10.

The Father, who inhabits eternity (Isaiah 57:15) descended to become a Man and then later ascended to exist outside of time once again.

So, there are two Persons called God who are in fact the same Person (God), dwelling in eternity.

Appearances can be deceiving.

Give it up.

How is 1 John 3:9 both literal and non-literal?

If you can't answer, I will assume that you are talking out of your butt.

Gee... that was mature.

So, you don't have an answer?

I think that you don't have any ground to stand on.

You mean "perfect"?

Esp. that last part.
Some would rather fight than grow up.

Sometimes a Christian is supposed to fight.

2Ti 4:7, I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

Jde 1:3, Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.