Cessation of Gifts

I would say as long as Jesus is present with his disciples the only thing that is lacking is the faith of those who hear about the spiritual gifts

“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if the church taught the gospel we would be seeing more evidence of faith

“I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:2‬ ‭

faith and it’s evidence comes when you have believers of the gospel. Spiritual gifts manifest through those believers

“If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when we hear of thkngs like gifts of the spirit and someone writes a book about how they ceased , it’s bringing instant doubt into our hearts . Rather than hearing and believing we start to consider with our intelligence and reason ourselves out of the simplicity of hearing and believing the gospel

faith has ceased in many the gospel remains the exact same and will always apply and be true

The current position cannot be proved with Scripture, but with actual facts one way or another. So if you are prepared to accept the studies of linguists who have analyzed modern tongues, fine. If not, you can go to 1 Corinthians 13:8 and either believe it or not.

Well first part of scripture is 1 Corinthians 13.

That which is perfect, or the perfect thing is what causes sign gifts in this passage to cease.

So some key points:

Its talking the GIFT of knowlege, not knowledge in general. So we still have knowledge now. But not the particular gift used for initially spreading Gods Word and setting up God's churches.

Another key thing.. in this passage what is in part? Because that is what the perfect is completing.

Prophecy, tongues and knowledge in part.... the perfect thing completes these gifts. The passage is about part (prophecy, etc) to whole, incomplete to complete, child to man (paul speaking of maturity), obscured (the mirror) to fully known.

Now prophecy, tongues and knowledge gifts were completely to do with God revealing His Word thru men. It was partial revelation at the time and became complete thru the completion of the canon.

Other things that led to the cessation were the likes of the death of apostles.

Last point is that the practice of God no longer operating in something in the same way should not be surprise given he no longer will flood the world again symbolized by the rainbow, no longer operates with the OT system of sacrifices and rules, a d there are customs from NT times we no longer hold to like kissing cheeks.

he fact of the matter is that modern tongues are an aberration and the majority of Christians do not speak in tongues. So now you should prove by linguistic analysis that you are speaking an actual human language and not gibberish. No one in Acts 2 spoke gibberish.

Preacher John McArthur, Baptists, Dispensation and others had declared that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, most especially speaking in Tongues, had CEASED with the departure of the Apostles.
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PROVE IT - by the Word of God...

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The idea that the gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased at the end of the "apostolic" times is just complete LIE!

The Scriptures and Church history prove the exact opposite!

I did a blog on this subject, you can find it Here, Here and Here

And just a word of warning to the "cessationists" who say that the gifts of tongues (and other manifestations of the Spirit) are demonic; the Lord Jesus told the scribes who came down from Jerusalem who were saying that the miracles He did by the power of the Holy Spirit were really being done by Satanic power, that they were guilty of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and of eternal sin! Mark 3v28-30.

The Christians who ascribe the signs, wonders and miracles of the Holy Spirit (i.e, the gifts of the Spirit, 1Cor 12v7-11) to Satan, go FAR down the road of committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, make NO mistake about it!

I'm on the fence with this one. While I am quite certain that there are many outright fraudulent 'speakers of tongues'... I'm not sure that the Lord's intent was for the gifts to be subject to a controlled scientific analysis or experiment.
On the other hand, what I think we could reasonably expect- is to see the gift working for ourselves. I personally haven't been in a modern Acts 2 scenario, and I'd wager that a lot of Americans haven't been either... English is a pretty popular language right now, so while I've not seen it... I haven't exactly had an opportunity to see it either. Xenoglossia (or whatever way it's pronounced) seems to me to be like it would be very niche.
Glossolalia, on the other hand, is completely unverifiable apart from the person doing it, and it doesn't edify, or look very miraculous to anyone apart from the people doing it either.
I also think it's very presumptuous for a church to make scriptural occurrences of speaking in tongues into a doctrine stating that it is the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost- as it is literally never stated in scripture, and it's built entirely on sandy narrative support.
But at the same time, lack of evidence for the operation of tongues, for me, is not evidence for the non-operation. I have seen a lot of things in this life, but I'm sure there are plenty of things I have not seen. I feel like saying "God doesn't do that" is putting him in a box, unless he has already said in scripture 'I don't do that".

You said: "I also think it's very presumptuous for a church to make scriptural occurrences of speaking in tongues into a doctrine stating that it is the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost

i say: AGREE in Part

You said "as it is literally never stated in scripture, and it's built entirely on sandy narrative support."

i say: Please explain this - "sandy narrative support"

our chime in. just maybe the meaning has do with the premise,,the aahh! foundation of that thought being built upon sand.Thus not upon Jesus who is lord.

`Christ.....He Himself gave some to be apostles, and some prophets, some evangelists and some pastors and teachers for the equipping of the saints for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the Body of Christ TILL WE ALL come to the UNITY OF THE FAITH and the knowledge of the Don of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the statue of the fullness of Christ.` (Eph. 4: 11 - 13)

As that has not happened yet, then Christ the Head of His Body continues to give of Himself in these areas. The Holy Spirit`s gifts are distributed throughout the Body, eg. Prophecy, for the - edifying, exhorting and comforting of the members and tongues for the building up of a believer.

`He who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.
He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.` (1 Cor. 14: 3 & 4)

Note: the tongue can be `tongues of men and of angels.` (1 Cor. 13: 1) Spirit to spirit to God.

Glossolalia, on the other hand, is completely unverifiable apart from the person doing it, and it doesn't edify, or look very miraculous to anyone apart from the people doing it either.

God told us He would never flood the world again, He has never told us that He will not furnish His church any more with gifts of the Holy Spirit.

The word written down [the bible] is not more perfect than the words spoken by Paul who wrote much of it. And it is the bible which urges that we did all speak with tongues and earnestly desire the higher gifts ... especially that we may prophesy.

That is the canon of scripture.

Preacher John McArthur, Baptists, Dispensation and others had declared that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, most especially speaking in Tongues, had CEASED with the departure of the Apostles.

Could this be true? If , Yes, then speaking in tongues would be counterfeit and even demonic.

God is not the Author of confusion and somebody is in great error.

PROVE IT - by the Word of God and do so by obeying the LORD's Commandments:

“Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ Matthew 18:15-17

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

The Two or Three Witnesses are found in Scripture concerning this Challenge of TRUTH.

That's what we are talking about. Furthermore, pagans are also know to speak glossolalia while communicating with spirits.

The Bible does not speak about glossolalia. Just glossa, glossais, and dialektos, In modern parlance "languages" or "dialects". And why wouldn't God allow scientific analysis of anything? After all He is the one who created the laws of science. If some native speaker of English started speaking Farsi* supernaturally, that would be subject to linguistic analysis. But even those who practice tongues go through language schools in order to speak foreign languages.

*For those not aware Farsi is the language of Persia (Iran).

The OP is about the gifts, not just tongues. It's the least of the gifts.

why wouldn't God allow scientific analysis of anything?

i say: Please explain this - "sandy narrative support"