What are you thoughts on Annihilation?

The thing about it is... that the verb in verse 29 is in the "Subjunctive mood"... "so that no flesh might glory/boast [V-ASM-3S] in His presence"

[see here] -- https://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/1-29.htm

... so it's not saying "so that no flesh WILL..." (which is what you're suggesting it's saying).




The text is not conveying this though, as shown above.



Of course that's your goal, to have it say this so you can maintain your incorrect thoughts about the Greek word for "to bring to nought" (kjv), G2673, which in other verses is the English word "destroyed / destroy" (2Th2:8b [re: man of sin], 1Cor15:24,26 [re: death], and Heb2:14 [re: satan]), but means "rendered inoperative [annulled, to make idle (inactive)]" ... (NOT "annihilated" or "put as extinct / obliterated into nothingness" or the like. )

^ (yawn )

@Laura798 ,

Another verse using this word (G2673) is often misunderstood to mean that "OUR [physical] BODIES" are destroyed... but this Rom6:6 verse (and surrounding CONTEXT ['the BODY of this death' Rom 7:24]) is NOT talking about "OUR bodies," but rather "the body of the sin"... (<--THAT THING!) And the effect is: "for our no longer serving the sin"

--Romans 6:6ylt (for example) - "this knowing, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of the sin may be made useless [G2673], for our no longer serving the sin"



(yet, it's possible to still commit a sin or sins... this is referring to our present existence while still on this earth)

Why is this so hard to understand? For a start, God is outside of time, so "years" means nothing. Second, death is not the end of existence. We are born dead in trespass and sin, but we still exist. Death is separation from God.

I didn't say that.

I said "that [/so that] the body of the sin" might be "rendered inoperative [/made idle (inactive); G2673]".

That's what the verse states.

-- https://biblehub.com/text/romans/6-6.htm - Romans 6:6



No it isn't.



This verse is not conveying such a thing.

It doesn't convey the people moving around in pain and gnashing their teeth either.

If they are idle then they aren't moving or even alive.

No surprise that verses you guys use proves your own theory to be wrong. In the eternal torture doctrine, people are not idle or inactive in the lake of fire. They are in Annihilation doctrine. Interesting how that verse and Annihilation match so well.

I am one who sees all of the "there shall be weeping [/wailing] and gnashing of teeth" passages as applying at the time of Christ's Second Coming to the earth and their NON-ENTRANCE into the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age (I also believe they then "die" and are in "hell / hades"... kinda like Lk16 illustrates also)



Welp, I see a problem there, because the Rev20 text states that "death" and "hell / hades" DELIVERED UP the DEAD (this is WELL-AFTER *ALL* saints of all time-periods would have completed experiencing "resurrection" ['resurrection OF LIFE'] by the time of the STARTING of the MK AGE 1000-yrs prior to this point!)

Then the text goes on to say that "death" itself (which 1Cor15:26 says will be "rendered inoperative"!!) and "hell / hades" are both "cast into the lake of fire" (no one from this point on will be utilizing its function!)...

... and the text furthermore states: "this is the second death--the lake of fire"...

-- https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/20-14.htm

...notice it does not state: "this is the second death--DEATH [/or non-existence / annihilation / extinction into nothingness / obliteration / etc]"



I disagree that they "match so well"... I think your imagination makes it seem so, to you. No offense.



[it happens to match "resurrection OF JUDGMENT / DAMNATION" though...]

So...what religion are you exactly if you don't believe the bible?

<this is figurative for ETERNITY and TORMENTED means PUNISHMENT evidenced by ALL other verses in both the New and Old Testament that say the wicked will:

PERISH/ DIE/ BE DESTROYED.

DB,

We have posted hundreds of verses to your one--what other LITERAL verses (and please VERSE (S) not just one verse. It must be LITERAL , not FIGURATIVE.

I asked, "Duckybill-are you like a bored 14 year old kid down in the basement somewhere? Your comments are so sophomoric."

Your response: "Are you a JW?"

I guess your response answers my question in the affirmative.

If you're not JW then why do you sound like you were brainwashed at Kingdom Hall?

Sheesh, Duckybill--your Kingdom Hall quips are like guys in their 50's who still think farting out loud is funny--can't you come up with something else? By the way--Jehovah's Witness and ALL false religions that call themselves Christian are an off shoot of some main stream denomination.

do a search and you will see plenty of mainstream pastors and teachers that believe in Annihilation--in fact it has always been the main belief until the Roman Catholics made the pagan myth of eternal conscious torment popular. If it was the TRUTH, then why isn't it mentioned anywhere in the Nicene Creed? I'll tell you why , because up until that time and some time after ALL people believed Christ paid the penalty in FULL by his death--that He died in our place and that the punishment for sin was obviously DEATH.

You're clearly trying to rewrite our Bible!

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. <again figurative language for ETERNAL PUNISHMENT

Yep, still there!

"Figurative" = God lied! <How so? Jesus himself said he spoke using figurative language. Figurative language is used throughout scripture. Have you ever actually read the bible for yourself?


"“Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father."--John 16:25


I doubt that you even know what the Bible says will happen to "all liars". If you're not JW, then what?

You said:How totally Unchristian!

How's that unchristian?

Your false and repeated and repeated and REPEATED accusation of me being a Jehovah's Witness because I believe what the bible says is much more UNCHRISTIAN.

Um...Duckybill you do know Revelation is a VISION? So I guess you take the beast with 7 heads as a literal too--as well as all the other weird imagery--even though the angel interprets it LITERALLY?

I do believe your are certifiably 'out to lunch'

You're the one trying to rewrite the Bible. Not me.

You said: You're the one trying to rewrite the Bible. Not me.

I think you're accusing the wrong person here. It reminds of a story I heard of a man who accused his wife of cheating when he in fact was the one that was cheating.

Do you believe the following--taken straight from scripture--please answer with a simple YES or NO

• "The wages of sin is death."--Romans 6:23
• "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life." John 3:16
• "But transgressors will be altogether destroyed; The posterity of the wicked will be cut off."--Psalm 37:38

You said: You're the one trying to rewrite the Bible. Not me.

I think you're accusing the wrong person here. It reminds of a story I heard of a man who accused his wife of cheating when he in fact was the one that was cheating.

Do you believe the following--taken straight from scripture--please answer with a simple YES or NO

• "The wages of sin is death."--Romans 6:23
• "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life." John 3:16
• "But transgressors will be altogether destroyed; The posterity of the wicked will be cut off."--Psalm 37:38