Our new relationship to the law.
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We are not under the law concerning condemnation...
But we are still under the law to obey it...
What?
How can they try to use the lingo and then contradict the lingo and pretend they don't understand what they are saying???
"I agree with scripture but we are still under the law" Nope. That means you DON'T agree with scripture.
This doesn't require loads of discernment. Just a sense of smell...
But we are still under the law to obey it...
What?
How can they try to use the lingo and then contradict the lingo and pretend they don't understand what they are saying???
"I agree with scripture but we are still under the law" Nope. That means you DON'T agree with scripture.
This doesn't require loads of discernment. Just a sense of smell...
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We are not under the law concerning condemnation...
But we are still under the law to obey it...
What?
How can they try to use the lingo and then contradict the lingo and pretend they don't understand what they are saying???
"I agree with scripture but we are still under the law" Nope. That means you DON'T agree with scripture.
This doesn't require loads of discernment. Just a sense of smell...
But we are still under the law to obey it...
What?
How can they try to use the lingo and then contradict the lingo and pretend they don't understand what they are saying???
"I agree with scripture but we are still under the law" Nope. That means you DON'T agree with scripture.
This doesn't require loads of discernment. Just a sense of smell...
And we have those who admit they failed yet continue to try?
How we can be so deceived by self righteousness
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We are not under the law concerning condemnation...
But we are still under the law to obey it...
What?
How can they try to use the lingo and then contradict the lingo and pretend they don't understand what they are saying???
"I agree with scripture but we are still under the law" Nope. That means you DON'T agree with scripture.
This doesn't require loads of discernment. Just a sense of smell...
But we are still under the law to obey it...
What?
How can they try to use the lingo and then contradict the lingo and pretend they don't understand what they are saying???
"I agree with scripture but we are still under the law" Nope. That means you DON'T agree with scripture.
This doesn't require loads of discernment. Just a sense of smell...
Here's the point,
Rom. 3:31
"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."
Concerning the moral part of the Law, the Ten Commandments, it was wrong to steal when God gave the moral Law to Israel thousands of years ago and it is still wrong today. And so it is with all the moral Law, nothing has changed!
These Laws are still incumbent on the New Covenant believer just as it was under the Old Covenant.
But there is a huge difference in how these Laws are kept now under the New Covenant.
No strength was given to those under the Law of Moses to help them obey these Laws, they were to turn to the sacrificial system for their sins to be forgiven. This is how the Law pointed to Christ for obedience.
But under the New Covenant, The crucified Christ is our strength by faith, and lives this moral life through us.
Gal. 2:20
"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
Do you understand this, Grandpa? If you don't I will explain it another way until you do understand!
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2Co 3:16, Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
This indicates that when we turn to the Lord, we will be able to see the law apart from the vail, even clearly and in its proper light.
Which is not to say that we would then be inclined to turn our ears away from hearing the law (see Proverbs 28:9, James 1:25).
This indicates that when we turn to the Lord, we will be able to see the law apart from the vail, even clearly and in its proper light.
Which is not to say that we would then be inclined to turn our ears away from hearing the law (see Proverbs 28:9, James 1:25).
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We are not under the law concerning condemnation...
But we are still under the law to obey it...
What?
How can they try to use the lingo and then contradict the lingo and pretend they don't understand what they are saying???
"I agree with scripture but we are still under the law" Nope. That means you DON'T agree with scripture.
This doesn't require loads of discernment. Just a sense of smell...
But we are still under the law to obey it...
What?
How can they try to use the lingo and then contradict the lingo and pretend they don't understand what they are saying???
"I agree with scripture but we are still under the law" Nope. That means you DON'T agree with scripture.
This doesn't require loads of discernment. Just a sense of smell...
Thou shalt not commit adultery with your neighbor's wife
Thou shalt not kill your neighbor
Thou shalt not steal from your neighbor
Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor
Thou shalt not covet your neighbor's belongings
and,
Thou shalt not break any other commandment that pertains to your neighbor?
Are you advocating that Christians become,
adulterers,
murderers,
thieves,
liars,
coveters,
and law-breakers concerning every other law that is written?
I believe that the Bible teaches (Revelation 21:8) that such people shall have their part in the lake of fire.
I would contend that if anyone is truly born again, the love of the Lord is shed abroad in their heart (Romans 5:5).
And that this love is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within them (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4).
And the law is for those who are not born again; because it is only those who are inclined to disobey the law.
By the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20); I will define sin here as being a violation of the love of God and as the transgression of the law.
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some people just do not understand
The law was given to lead people to Christ.
1. It exposes the fact we can not meet Gods standard, for all have sinned and fall short (miss the mark)
2. It exposes the fact that no matter how hard we try. we can not even keep these ten commands (there are many commands or sins we do every day not included in the ten) I used to call these ten commands Gods ten commands for dummies. As God says, here, here are ten commands, You can not even keep these. So how dare you think you are righteous enough to even come close to me on your own
3. He shows us what must be done when we break these commands to have the curse which is given to ALL who do not fulfill these ten, to be redeemed (as a lamb led before the slaughter)
He did not give these commands to show us how to be good (they do not even come close to showing what every possible sin a person can commit is)
He did not give us these commands to help us be righteous people (they do not even tell us HOW to obey them, Just state a law that if broken, we are guilty)
Jesus on the sermon on the mount said the law says this, But I tell you...... Proving the law was week in its attempt to show us every sin. And that if we try to become righteous upstanding people just by following these ten, we will fail miserably.
so you see @justbyfaith and @Charlie24, Jesus also told us HOW to learn to be righteous. HOW to fulfill the royal law in us. and HOW to become Christlike
1. Love, as he loved us
2. Seek after the things of the spirit. what are these? Well paul tells us
Gal 5: 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
You see, Yes, bearing false witness is a sin. And breaking the ten commands
But no child of God needs to be told that. They know it. They have been trained by the law so they know these ten commands
What they need to learn is how to love and how to produce the fruit of the spirit by seeking to do those things,
When you teach law, as is being done here, you place people right back under the curse. Which no one can keep. And as paul said, placed a burden on them not even the fathers could keep.
The law was given to lead people to Christ.
1. It exposes the fact we can not meet Gods standard, for all have sinned and fall short (miss the mark)
2. It exposes the fact that no matter how hard we try. we can not even keep these ten commands (there are many commands or sins we do every day not included in the ten) I used to call these ten commands Gods ten commands for dummies. As God says, here, here are ten commands, You can not even keep these. So how dare you think you are righteous enough to even come close to me on your own
3. He shows us what must be done when we break these commands to have the curse which is given to ALL who do not fulfill these ten, to be redeemed (as a lamb led before the slaughter)
He did not give these commands to show us how to be good (they do not even come close to showing what every possible sin a person can commit is)
He did not give us these commands to help us be righteous people (they do not even tell us HOW to obey them, Just state a law that if broken, we are guilty)
Jesus on the sermon on the mount said the law says this, But I tell you...... Proving the law was week in its attempt to show us every sin. And that if we try to become righteous upstanding people just by following these ten, we will fail miserably.
so you see @justbyfaith and @Charlie24, Jesus also told us HOW to learn to be righteous. HOW to fulfill the royal law in us. and HOW to become Christlike
1. Love, as he loved us
2. Seek after the things of the spirit. what are these? Well paul tells us
Gal 5: 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
You see, Yes, bearing false witness is a sin. And breaking the ten commands
But no child of God needs to be told that. They know it. They have been trained by the law so they know these ten commands
What they need to learn is how to love and how to produce the fruit of the spirit by seeking to do those things,
When you teach law, as is being done here, you place people right back under the curse. Which no one can keep. And as paul said, placed a burden on them not even the fathers could keep.
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Indeed, the law is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ; and once you have been trained by it to be obedient, it is no longer needed and you are no longer under it.
A child who is trained up by his tutors needs the tutors to correct him...once he has been trained by them, he will be obedient to their teachings without the need for correction by them. He will be obedient to their tutelage even after they are no longer with him because he is a son in the family and desires to represent his family well.
Here are the verses that I would bring to bear on what you have said, @eternally-gratefull:
Mat 1:21, And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Tit 2:11, For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Tit 2:13, Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit 2:14, Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Tit 2:15, These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
A child who is trained up by his tutors needs the tutors to correct him...once he has been trained by them, he will be obedient to their teachings without the need for correction by them. He will be obedient to their tutelage even after they are no longer with him because he is a son in the family and desires to represent his family well.
Here are the verses that I would bring to bear on what you have said, @eternally-gratefull:
Mat 1:21, And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Tit 2:11, For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Tit 2:13, Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit 2:14, Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Tit 2:15, These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
Of course! There was a time when I believed that I might be one of the two witnesses. Now I understand that I am living in the church age and if I am in fact anyone of such grandeur, that I might be the angel of the church of Philadelphia.
Or, perhaps I am just a minister of Jesus Christ who knows what the gospel is really all about and is seeking to help others to understand things as God intended for them to be understood
Or, perhaps I am just a minister of Jesus Christ who knows what the gospel is really all about and is seeking to help others to understand things as God intended for them to be understood
Two commands Jesus said,love God with all your soul,mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself .
Jesus added a new command that you love one another as I have loved you.
This is the perfect law of liberty we live by under the new covenant we have through the blood of Jesus.
OnceFallen will lock this thread if you cannot answer in love as brethren.
Jesus added a new command that you love one another as I have loved you.
This is the perfect law of liberty we live by under the new covenant we have through the blood of Jesus.
OnceFallen will lock this thread if you cannot answer in love as brethren.
Of course! There was a time when I believed that I might be one of the two witnesses. Now I understand that I am living in the church age and if I am in fact anyone of such grandeur, that I might be the angel of the church of Philadelphia.
Or, perhaps I am just a minister of Jesus Christ who knows what the gospel is really all about and is seeking to help others to understand things as God intended for them to be understood
Or, perhaps I am just a minister of Jesus Christ who knows what the gospel is really all about and is seeking to help others to understand things as God intended for them to be understood
The above statement is very high minded.I'm sorry but you need a reality check in prayer.
Jesus said the least shall be greatest.
Humbiliness far outweighs some things said here in aggrogrance and makes a greater impact!
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I certainly do not believe that I am answering with any kind of lack of love.
In answer to what you have said, I would mention this scripture,
1Jo 5:2, By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
What commandments? To love one another? isn't that redundant?
In answer to what you have said, I would mention this scripture,
1Jo 5:2, By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
What commandments? To love one another? isn't that redundant?
Somehow I knew that someone would go overboard over my statement.
I was not saying that I think that I am the angel of the church of Philadelphia.
I was actually humbling myself from that point to say that I am simply a man who knows what he is talking about.
While, I believe that when the church of Philadelphia comes about, there is going to have to be someone who fulfills the role in question.
And I know that I pray every night that the Lord will usher in the age of Philadelphia in the church.
So, whether I am its angel or not, I believe that I have a role in bringing about the fulfillment of the scriptures in question (Revelation 3).
I was not saying that I think that I am the angel of the church of Philadelphia.
I was actually humbling myself from that point to say that I am simply a man who knows what he is talking about.
While, I believe that when the church of Philadelphia comes about, there is going to have to be someone who fulfills the role in question.
And I know that I pray every night that the Lord will usher in the age of Philadelphia in the church.
So, whether I am its angel or not, I believe that I have a role in bringing about the fulfillment of the scriptures in question (Revelation 3).
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