How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

What is very interesting about this is that Adam and Eve sinned on Chesvan 17, that is also the date that the rain came down and the ark went up with Noah (and the Lord did tell us the end of the age would be as the days of Noah).

what can i pray for you Brother ???

YES - BEAUTIFUL Brother

says who

i could not resist - lol

Faith to believe the Lord shall provide us with all our need, and then for contentment within that. Bless you. Peace and rest be upon you this night.

AMEN - Will do -love you and Good Nite

Some good folks on this thread preaching some strange things to my ears

Jesus said "AFTER the tribulation of those days .... they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds"

We all believe that.
But it can not possibly be the rapture

Yes
The postrib rapture began in men that thought they were in the trib.

They introduced a fluke based in what they saw.

No israel existed

Now you know I am no Pre Tribber ... but nice try

I was thinking about the lack of anything about the 1, 000 years that separate the resurrection of the just and the general resurrection unto judgement.

Rev 14 has living raptured during the trib.

So you say the dead in christ rise

AFTER the living are gathered in rev 14.
I've shown this over and over and over and over that comment in Revelation 20 where it says "they lived and reigned with Christ" has nothing to do with them being resurrected a day after Armageddon.
that is totally false .
it doesn't fit ,and it cannot be possible.
Revelation 14 is the final nail in the coffin of that thought. It was the NIV where it says ,erroneously," they came to life" as if they were Resurrected right then and there. To top it off they're already established on Thrones, and we don't know how long they've been seated.
but to try and say that there's a resurrection after Armageddon it's ridiculous

I was pointing to the strange ideas of a postrib rapture with no verses.

I have always thought that strange.

All rapture verses are in peacetime setting with life as normal.

It just occured to me that "like manner" setting is also that dynamic.

Not a one in the setting you guys need.

Even the " one taken" in mat 24 is that dynamic.
Peacetime, normal everyday life.

Revelation does not have a rapture occurrence until chapters 19-20.

This we ALL know is TRUE as Matthew ch24, 1 Thess chs 1-4 , 2 Thess 2 , 1 Timothy 4:1 , 1 John 2:14-19 , Rev 6:6-11 declare it.

As in the days of Noah so will the return of the Son of Man be. They were married and given in marriage.

You still do not understand what this means and how it is portrayed in the Parable of Matt 25:1-13

God never left His Throne
and HE never abandons His Own
HE is the King of Righteousness
better take heed or you will miss
HE made Straight our Paths
it is not hard to do the Math
There is One Elohim who came to earth
HE came to overcome the Dearth
In His Cup is Fullness of Life
Drink from It and you become His Wife
Never a moment will HE let you go
HIS Hand is Strong from the Get-Go
prophets come and prophets go
Only the Truth will Christ Show
Never a moment, never a time
Will Christ come up short
and leave you behind

I call that the Second Coming, not the Rapture. I believe the Rapture is a separate event that happens 7 years before the Second Coming.

Rev ch 7 and ch 14 does 'nail it' on the error of pre-trib = AGREE

#1. - The Lord gives us a glimpse of His Bride - the symbolic 144,000 as both the number 12 and 1000 have symbolic meaning.

#2. - After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands. Rev 7:9

#3. - Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”
So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

#4. - Revelation 14:12-13 Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”

#5. - Chapter 7 - His Elect/Body/Bride/Saints on earth being martyred for the Testimony of JESUS.

#6. - Chapter 14 - His Elect/Body/Bride/Saints on earth being martyred for the Testimony of JESUS

#7. - SAME Truth from the Gospels to Acts (see Stephen ch7) to 1 Thess 3:1-5 to the very Beginning of Revelation until it's Completion.

#8. - I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

20He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

21The grace of the Lord Jesusd be with all the saints.e

Hello Brother - i did pray for us both, as you requested, and will continue to so- i also in same need

1.)The Lord said, and HE made it very CLEAR, that His Second Coming is immediately after the Tribulation - Matt 24

2.) The Apostle Paul also said that His Coming will FIRST be to Resurrect the dead in Him - AFTER that the rapture of the remaining.

3.) The LORD, Apostle Paul and Apostle John all said that the Antichrist comes before the Second Coming of Christ/Resurrection/rapture.

Since these are the words of God - should we sin and change them as satan did in the Garden???