How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

WHO (to what people group) is the Olivet Discourse directed to? Were Gentile Christians taken to a synagogue to be beating? NO! JEWISH Christians perhaps were taken to a synagogue. Is the 70th week of Daniel for Gentiles? NO! Daniel is clear, it is for HIS people, the Jews and by extension, all Hebrew people. This is further proven by Jesus speaking of the abomination that will divide the week. What is the purpose of the 70th week? Do you know? Daniel 12 tells us: it is God completely shattering the power of the Hebrew people and the nation of Israel, so they finally get to the place where ONLY GOD can save them. This has nothing to do with the Gentile church of today. Why then do you insist on placing the church in the 70th week?

By the way, there is a difference in reading the scriptures and understanding them. Blindness in part has been put upon the descendants of Jacob while God turned to the Gentiles. He is waiting for the fullness of the Gentiles to come in. The Jews have just had to wait (partly in blindness) for the fullness of the Gentiles. But the moment the final church age martyr will have been martyred, (God knows the number) the rapture will take place and the church age will end. "Time" will instantly then be "Day of the Lord" time. And very shortly after that, (the 6th seal starts the Day) the 7th seal starts the 70th week.

By the time verse 30 above will happen, heaven will be emptied: all who participated in the marriage and supper - both the Old and New Testament saints - will return with Christ. The only group left to gather will be all the descendants of Jacob around the world that will have survived the days of GT. God will gather them to Israel as He promised.

EXACTLY - you disagree with the LORD who said HE is coming "Immeiately after the Tribulation"

Now PROVE where HE is wrong - lol - from Scripture ONLY

OF COURSE He is coming after the tribulation of those days: it is HIS WORD. We could say it is written in stone. It will certainly happen. But His coming as shown in Revelation 19 and Matthew 24 cannot and does not prove that He will not come 7 years previous FOR His church. Study 1 and 2 Thes. Paul is the only writer of the NT that received a revelation of the rapture. Therefore, to learn about the rapture, that should be where we turn first. Many people imagine Jesus spoke of Paul's rapture - but He did not. That theory is myth.

Paul is clear that his rapture will come before wrath. On John's timeline, do you know when wrath starts in relation to other events in Revelation? John is clear that the Day of His wrath (and therefore His wrath) will begin in chapter 6 when the 6th seal is opened. There is no wrath to be found in seals 1 through 5. Why people imagine wrath against the martyrs of the church (5th seal) amazes me.

Since the 5th seal is the martyrs of the church age, and since they were told that judgment would not start until the final martyr killed as they were - as church age martyrs - the rapture cannot possibly be anywhere before the 5th seal in Revelation. And since wrath begins at the 6th seal, John has pinpointed where Paul's rapture will take place. The truth is, the church has been waiting for the final martyr for nearly 2000 years. Soon Jesus will come, the church will be escorted to heaven, and Jesus will then open the 6th seal and the Day of the Lord will begin. Probably ten days later (the days of Awe) the 7th seal will be opened and the 70th week (for Daniel's people) will begin. The Day of the Lord spells judgment of the nations, but the time of Jacob's trouble is for THEM, not the church.

The lie of pre-trib escalates like a avalanche, to smother those under, it with a blanket of many lies.

Are you ready to allow the LORD to circumcise your heart from the many lies of pre-trib? Yes/No?

If you are serious, in your heart to obey the Lord and not add to His words, then i will engage you, not as an enemy but as my Brother in Christ -amen.

But if your heart is hardened, as the Jews who seek to establish their own righteousness, then we will not have fellowship under Christ.

Let me know

I disagree that the gathering of the elect in Matthew 24 is Paul's rapture. I believe it is after both the rapture of the church and the resurrection of the Old Testament saints both. When Jesus comes as shown in Revelation 19, heaven is emptied: all the saints come WITH Him. All the saints will be returned to earth from the marriage and supper.

How do people come to Christ after Revelation 4?

I could write something similar:

"The lie of post-trib escalates like a avalanche, to smother those under, it with a blanket of many lies."

Does writing such nonsense make you feel better? Truly, it solves nothing.

"Are you ready to allow the LORD to circumcise your heart from the many lies of post-trib? Yes/No?"
Just more nonsense. What we need to determine is, WHAT DOES THE WORD SAY?

It seems you have built up resentment for any theory that disagrees with yours. Why is that? We are brothers in the Lord. Our only command is to love one another.

How amazing: you read scriptures and see one thing. I read the same scriptures and see something entirely different. It seems we read scriptures differently.

14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

When we read Scripture that says "do not lie" is that clear to you?
When read Scripture that says "do not add or take away from God's words lest you be proven a liar" - is that clear to you??

Christ the LORD says: "Immediately after the Tribulation.....you will see the Son of Man Coming" - is that clear to you???

No one, not once, not ever, has come forward with scripture of the LORD saying "I am coming before the Tribulation....."

Therefore, whoever says such things reverses God's words, which satan did in the Garden and does so now with 'pre-trib rapture.'

Choose you this day whom you will serve...............God or Belial/religion

That isn't how the Bible is read though. Sometimes they didn't include all relevant details to a topic in every letter they wrote. Some details are here, some are there, and there's a lot of cross-referencing required.

I think this is ultimately a matter of different styles of hermeneutics or Bible interpretation theory.

I wasn't raised in church and my natural interpretation of the scriptures apparently leans towards the historical premillennialist side; I reject dual covenant theology and dispensationalism.

I suspect you're probably the exact opposite of me. You just won't see the post-trib rapture and I won't see the pre-trib rapture. I think our boxes effectually blind us to alternative interpretations.

Hi!

Again,
After Rev 4
Who is doing the preaching of the Gospel of Christ.......
You said "THe Bride" does that include the angels or both?

God Bless!

You must prove that the coming in Revelation 19 is the SAME coming as Paul's coming in 1 Thes. 4. It is not and cannot possibly be.

Correct. In Revelation 19 Christ comes WITH His saints and angels to earth after the Marriage of the Lamb. In 1 Thessalonians 4 Christ comes in the air FOR His saints at the Resurrection/Rapture before the Marriage of the Lamb. This is so elementary, that even a child would understand the difference.

Reject the errors of pre-trib and the Truth will set you free...

Precious friend, Great Question! Answer below, but, first:

To set up A Solid Foundation, According to "God's Sound Doctrine"
(fruit?) inspections of All Of God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided:

God's Context of (earthly) Prophecy/Law contains "the gospel of the kingdom"
(faith PLUS works)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

God's Context Of (Heavenly) MYSTERY contains "The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!
(GRACE Through faith)

With these Biblical Facts in mind, we should now ask, Can God Execute BOTH of
HIS Programs Simultaneously? Does God Offer GRACE and Execute Judgment at
the SAME Time? ie:

Today, The Body Of CHRIST, According To The Revelation Of The MYSTERY,
The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God Is "how people come to Christ," and This
Dispensation ENDS With our Pre - TOJT Great GRACE Departure To Heaven, and...

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

...After our Great GRACE Departure To Heaven, God, Will Resume HIS Prophetic
Program, And, in "answer to @walknlight's Great Question," the gospel of
the kingdom will be "how people come to Christ" in Revelation, During The
Time Of JACOB's TROUBLE (TOJT).
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Because "The Body Of Christ, has already Departed To Heaven," God Has
the resuming of "the preaching of the gospel of the everlasting kingdom"
committed to the Very Capable mouths of HIS 144,000 sealed Jews (12,000
from Each tribe), HIS TWO powerful witnesses, AND HIS angel from heaven
(Revelation 7:1-8; 11:3-12; 14:6), Correct?

More "Sound Doctrine" inspections:

God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels
Distinctions In God's Two Different Programs: Prophecy vs Mystery!

Great GRACE {MYSTERY} Departure @ the 2nd coming {prophecy}?

Precious friend, Please Be Richly Encouraged In The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
and in HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided! Amen.

Since there are no errors in pre-trib, I'm sure you meant either post-trib, mid-trib, or something else. You are still unable to distinguish between the tribulations and persecutions of Christians (which has been going on since the first century), and the Tribulation and Great Tribulation, which are absolutely unique events in the future.

THE TRIBULATION
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

THE GREAT TRIBULATION
For then shall be [The] Great Tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

One thing is certain in my mind: if the rapture is when Jesus descends as in Rev. 19, then the church will miss the marriage and supper. John places these events before Jesus descends. I refuse to rearrange Revelation to fit a theory. Rather, I form theory from Revelation as written. People have been to heaven recently and have testified of having SEEN the preparations for the marriage and supper. Some have been told that heaven is all ready to receive the saints: all preparations are finished. I believe these testimonies since they do not disagree with what is written.

Another thing I am convinced of: the 70th week is for Daniel's people, not the Gentile church of today.

I hear you and in understand your perspective, but I can't accept that Revelation 19's marriage supper of the Lamb is pre-trib because I don't think God will have a marriage supper without every one of His brides present.

Even in pre-trib rapture theory, there are still tribulation saints. If the marriage supper of the Lamb occurs while there are still tribulation saints (church members) present on Earth then God didn't include them. How do you account for this?

Hi!

Again,
After Rev 4
Who is doing the preaching of the Gospel of Christ.......
You said "THe Bride" does that include the angels or both?

God Bless!