If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

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How is it possible for Satan to be released from hell at the end of the 1000 years and gather multitudes of unbelievers to war against the saints, if they are not unbelievers to begin with?
How? yeah, that is what happens next because we are in the 1000 years now.
 

iTheophilus

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Scripture for what? LOL, where is your scripture that Paul is describing the Second Coming?
I gave them to you already, but I’ll repost.

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

- 1 Corinthians 15:52-57 (KJV)

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

- 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 (KJV)

I now need you to give me scripture where it says that the trump Paul mentions is not connected with the 7 trumps.
 

Charlie24

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I gave them to you already, but I’ll repost.

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

- 1 Corinthians 15:52-57 (KJV)

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

- 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 (KJV)

I now need you to give me scripture where it says that the trump Paul mentions is not connected with the 7 trumps.
I'll give you that scripture when you give me scripture that the 7 trumps of Rev. are connected to the trump of 1 Thess. 4:16 and 1 Cor. 15:52.
 

iTheophilus

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I'll give you that scripture when you give me scripture that the 7 trumps of Rev. are connected to the trump of 1 Thess. 4:16 and 1 Cor. 15:52.
Oh, Charlie… I’m sorry I couldn’t help you. God bless.
 

Charlie24

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Oh, Charlie… I’m sorry I couldn’t help you. God bless.
It's not as clear cut as many think!

If the church is to go through the tribulation, why did Jesus give this to John to give to the Church?

Rev. 3:10

"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."
 
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It's not as clear cut as many think!

If the church is to go through the tribulation, why did Jesus give this to John to give to the Church?

Rev. 3:10

"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."
Charlie are you going keep pretending or are you actually going to consider this question?

How can there be a Millennium Reign after The Return with an obvious King JESUS without people becoming automatically elected and causing an unfair chance of SALVATION?
 
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I gave them to you already, but I’ll repost.

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

- 1 Corinthians 15:52-57 (KJV)

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

- 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 (KJV)

I now need you to give me scripture where it says that the trump Paul mentions is not connected with the 7 trumps.
https://repent5610.blogspot.com/2012/12/there-is-no-secret-rapture.html

Matthew 24:6-14
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6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Top verses needs to be fulfilled, for max chaos=So Satan can come out and fix everything. After that the Real Jesus Christ throws Satan and his demons into the lake of fire.

Daniel 8:25
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25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.


1 Thessalonians 5:3
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3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.


2 Thessalonians 2:3-13

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3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
 

Charlie24

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Charlie are going keep pretending are you actually going to consider this question?

How can there be a Millennium Reign after The Return with an obvious King JESUS without people becoming automatically elected and causing an unfair chance of SALVATION?
It's not an unfair chance at salvation! We can plainly see that many will not believe in Christ during His reign on earth just as many didn't believe when they saw all the miracles He performed in the Gospels.

Believing is not a mind thing, it's a heart thing.
 

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https://repent5610.blogspot.com/2012/12/there-is-no-secret-rapture.html

Matthew 24:6-14
King James Version




6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Top verse needs to be fulfilled, for max chaos=So Satan can come out and fix everything.

Daniel 8:25
King James Version



25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.


1 Thessalonians 5:3
New King James Version



3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.


2 Thessalonians 2:3-13

King James Version



3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Amen.

… It breaks my heart that Charlie just won‘t listen.
 
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It's not an unfair chance at salvation! We can plainly see that many will not believe in Christ during His reign on earth just as many didn't believe when they saw all the miracles He performed in the Gospels.

Believing is not a mind thing, it's a heart thing.
Do you get what a physical King will look like to people?
 

Charlie24

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This King will be GOD ...Charlie please wake up.
And what is that to those with hate in their hearts? Like I said, a rebellion rises against Christ as soon as Satan is released and incites that hatred against Christ.
 
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And what is that to those with hate in their hearts? Like I said, a rebellion rises against Christ as soon as Satan is released and incites that hatred against Christ.
Charlie, people are dumb, but they are not that dumb.
 

Charlie24

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Rev. 20:7-10

"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
 

iTheophilus

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"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,​
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.​
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.​
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."​
Here we finally have Truth.​