Fully God and Fully Man, how does that work?

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Rondonmon said:
I don't need to read al that to explain wat this means.

Fully God means the same thing as the Trinity, Jesus nor the Holy Spirit are The Father (of course) who has the "Abundance of the Glory" but they are the exact same in Spirit or ESSENCE, they are all three Love, Joy, Hope, Peace, Kind, Longsuffering, Forgiving, Merciful etc. etc. etc. But God the Father could not abide in you nor I, mere men, we would not be able to contain the fulness of His glory, we would die just like the 70 who peered into the ark of the covenant. So, just like lets take a 3 trillion gallon reservoir has 3 trillions gallons of water that is EXAVTLY THE SAME THRUGHOUT in ever ounce via its chemical makeup. You could take 100 gallons (Jesus) of that "WATER" and pour it over your head and you would be socking wet, but live. You could take another 100 gallons (Holy Spirit) of that "WATER" and pour it over your heard and again you would be OK, but soaking wet. NOW, take the rest of the Three Trillion Gallons of "WATER" (God the Father who has the ABUNDANCE of the Glory) and pout tat over our head and you would SURELY DIE !! All three are the EXACT SAME "WATER" with the Water representing God in this lesson here. But the Three Trillion Gallons is the ABUNDANCE, the two 100 Gallon Barrels are the exact same water, thus the Holy Spirit can live in us, and men actually hugged and looked upon Jesus and lived, because the Father has the abundance of the Glory, but all three are Love, Hope, Peace, Joy etc. etc. ALL THREE are God, they are God the Father, God the Helper and God the Redeemer.

Likewise, Jesus was born of a woman and was Human with ONE MAJOR DIFFERECE, he had not the blood or DNA of Adam and thus he was not tainted with Sin Nature, thus he was/is God living in a Human Being who resisted all temptation, as men are tested with. Thus he is God living in a Human Body, WITHOUT SIN, making him FULLY God because he knew no Sin and was the Son of God, and making him Human because he lived in a flesh body.

Being FULLY God as Jesus doesn't mean he's The Father. Jesus couldn't have walked around with all of the glory the Father has, all men who saw him would have died because God CAN NOT ABIDE Sin in his Holy Presence, his FULL GLORY would not allow it. When Jesus was on the cross bearing our sins, God had to leave his presence, thus Jesus says "My God, My God, why has thou forsaken (left) me?" God the Holy Spirit had to leave Jesus when all of our sins were cast upon him. Jesus is God the Redeemer, the Son, but he's not God the Father. In Spirit they are one and the same, they are EXACTLY ALIKE, But the Father has the abundance of the Glory.

I often wonder why people can't grasp these things. Maybe God just blessed me with understanding, and others with kindness etc. I spend time pondering these things but I wrestle with God you could say until I get answers.
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“Jesus nor the Holy Spirit are The Father”

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭20:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

pretty uninformed view there

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s one God only he has revealed himself in Jesus Christ . Father, Son and Holy Ghost Are one. I think your confusing Gods plan bekng revealed in scripture with three different beings.

The father , son and Holy Ghost is God revealing his plan to us God the father , manifest in the flesh of the son , and sent his spirit to live in those who believe.

it’s God teaching is about his plan of salvation

but I expect you will skip all these verses and explain how jesus isn’t the everlasting father like it says that father and son aren’t one like he said but when you hear jesus word your hearing Gods word , when you receive Christs spirit your receiving Gods spirit the title of son is meant to be applied To us

“At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father,

and ye in me,

and I in you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
“Jesus nor the Holy Spirit are The Father”

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭
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In Spirit, was God a Human being? LOL, he also does not have the Fulness of the Glory, why can't you guys understand these concepts, NO MAN has ever seen the fulness of God's Glory, I explained it to you where a 5 year old could understand it, yet it went over your head, why is the Holy Spirit not able to reach people now days? That makes me wonder, I don't get it, I might not be given a truth for 30 years, but when I hear it, I instantly know its of God. Something is not right in the church today. We have too many who try to teach but who need teaching sadly.

Seemingly you can't understand how 100 gallons of water and three trillion gallons of water can be EXATLY ALIKE except for the Glory (full amount vs 100 gallons). Its a simple concept.
 
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Rondonmon said:
In Spirit, was God a Human being? LOL, he also does not have the Fulness of the Glory, why can't you guys understand these concepts, NO MAN has ever seen the fulness of God's Glory, I explained it to you where a 5 year old could understand it, yet it went over your head, why is the Holy Spirit not able to reach people now days? That makes me wonder, I don't get it, I might not be given a truth for 30 years, but when I hear it, I instantly know its of God. Something is not right in the church today. We have too many who try to teach but who need teaching sadly.

Seemingly you can't understand how 100 gallons of water and three trillion gallons of water can be EXATLY ALIKE except for the Glory (full amount vs 100 gallons). Its a simple concept.
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you guys have a lot of theories but where’s any scripture that agrees with you ?

“In Spirit, was God a Human being? LOL,”

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he became a man.

“he also does not have the Fulness of the Glory,”

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he came to be a man and when he died returned to heaven and his glory the glory of the father that he’s had before things were

“NO MAN has ever seen the fulness of God's Glory, I explained it to you where a 5 year old could understand it,”

well yeah that’s the issue I’m looking at scripture not your explaination that doesn’t have any scriptural support ….

It doesn’t seem like you can even accept simple statements like This

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it seems your stumped by that and can’t accept it honestly but if you want me to agree with your amazing explaination provide some scripture like I did to support my belief lol I see you didn’t address anything there just explained your marveling spiritual wisdom lol Thy at can’t accept scripture


“yet it went over your head, why is the Holy Spirit not able to reach people now days?”

yeah again because I’m looking at what scripture says I’ll gladly let your unscriptural theory float by I’m more interested in what the Bible says


the Bible

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭

you “ nope they are not one they are seperate and distinct “

To be clear I’m here to talk about scripture so I ask you where’s the scripture to support your bedazzling wisdom and theory ? I’m inviting you to share those scriptures not explain what you think I’m open to scripture not to the amazing marvel
Of theories not supported in scripture

So where are those scriptures ?

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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Rondonmon said:
In Spirit, was God a Human being? LOL, he also does not have the Fulness of the Glory, why can't you guys understand these concepts, NO MAN has ever seen the fulness of God's Glory, I explained it to you where a 5 year old could understand it, yet it went over your head, why is the Holy Spirit not able to reach people now days? That makes me wonder, I don't get it, I might not be given a truth for 30 years, but when I hear it, I instantly know its of God. Something is not right in the church today. We have too many who try to teach but who need teaching sadly.

Seemingly you can't understand how 100 gallons of water and three trillion gallons of water can be EXATLY ALIKE except for the Glory (full amount vs 100 gallons). Its a simple concept.
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here’s another few scriptures to reject and explain they aren’t what they are

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭

who’s the head of all principality and power ? The one true God right ?

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬

Jesus is the only one ever who embodied the Father , Son and Holy Ghost in one body , one Being he is God manifest in the flesh but why would he become a man though ?

“The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace. Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness. For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them; And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth;

and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:

therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:8-9, 12, 14-17‬ ‭

he became one of us because there was no Man who could save us from sins grasp on mankind’s heart and judgement. We were lost in darkness so he came himself and became one of us to intercede and save us from sin and death

Jehovah became what man needed to be saved an intercessor and priest. There’s a reason he became flesh and it regards our salvation.
 
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I think what I was saying is Jesus , God , the Holy Spirit are one Being named Jesus. And he isn’t three “ seperate and distinct persons “

Nehemiah6 said:
This is Oneness Pentecostalism which denies that each one in the Godhead is a distinct divine Person. That is not biblical.
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Jesus being the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit does not mean there is not 3 distinctive persons but they all have the same name.

The Bible says there is only one name under heaven whereby people are saved and that is the name Jesus.

If Jesus is the only saving name then the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit would all have that name for they all participate in our salvation.

Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not names but titles and Jesus is the name.

That is why Gentiles, Jews, and Samaritans were all baptized in the name of Jesus.

In the Old Testament God said He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them which Jesus told Philip that if he has seen Him he has seen the Father and the words that He speaks are not His own but the Father that dwells in Him He does the works.

Jesus said He came in His Father's name.

The Bible says the Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

They all participate in our salvation so they would all have the same name for Jesus is the only saving name.
 
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montana123 said:
Jesus being the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit does not mean there is not 3 distinctive persons but they all have the same name.
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The name of Almighty God is YHWH (Yahweh) shown as LORD (all caps) or I AM THAT I AM or simply I AM. That is what Jesus called Himself in both Testaments.
 
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montana123 said:
I think what I was saying is Jesus , God , the Holy Spirit are one Being named Jesus. And he isn’t three “ seperate and distinct persons “



Jesus being the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit does not mean there is not 3 distinctive persons but they all have the same name.

The Bible says there is only one name under heaven whereby people are saved and that is the name Jesus.

If Jesus is the only saving name then the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit would all have that name for they all participate in our salvation.

Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not names but titles and Jesus is the name.

That is why Gentiles, Jews, and Samaritans were all baptized in the name of Jesus.

In the Old Testament God said He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them which Jesus told Philip that if he has seen Him he has seen the Father and the words that He speaks are not His own but the Father that dwells in Him He does the works.

Jesus said He came in His Father's name.

The Bible says the Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

They all participate in our salvation so they would all have the same name for Jesus is the only saving name.
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“Jesus being the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit does not mean there is not 3 distinctive persons but they all have the same name.”

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


can you find any scriptire that says They are seperate and distinct ? I have shown many saying They are one but you don’t seem to be providing any scripture just rejecting it

how do you interpret “ the fullness of the Godhead bodily “ ?

how do you read this

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if you can provide a single verse saying that are seperate and distinct you would have ground to stand on. But it seems your not willing to involve scriptire just explain it’s not biblical according to you

like I said im always open to scripture but I’ve learned long explanations that don’t appear anywhere on scripture and actually are contrary to what’s in the scripture isn’t for Me

Your just seeing God at different times and how he showed himself to
Mankind

he came down in cloud and fire in the ot and said no One come near and see me or you will be destroyed only Moses come and hear me

in the New Testament He was born on the flesh and became the man we needed to be saved

after he went to heaven he sent his spirit into our hearts

there’s never a point where God is not one and not unified he is one has
Manifested himself three times to
Mankind once hidden , once manifest in the flesh and now he’s the spirit in us

“Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what your perceiving is Gods plan of salvstion not three dofferent or seperate beings but one manifest in order to renew our spirit and save us there’s just one God and just one savior



“Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


If Jesus is the savior and lord there’s no question who he is
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
“Jesus being the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit does not mean there is not 3 distinctive persons but they all have the same name.”

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


can you find any scriptire that says They are seperate and distinct ? I have shown many saying They are one but you don’t seem to be providing any scripture just rejecting it

how do you interpret “ the fullness of the Godhead bodily “ ?

how do you read this

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if you can provide a single verse saying that are seperate and distinct you would have ground to stand on. But it seems your not willing to involve scriptire just explain it’s not biblical according to you

like I said im always open to scripture but I’ve learned long explanations that don’t appear anywhere on scripture and actually are contrary to what’s in the scripture isn’t for Me

Your just seeing God at different times and how he showed himself to
Mankind

he came down in cloud and fire in the ot and said no One come near and see me or you will be destroyed only Moses come and hear me

in the New Testament He was born on the flesh and became the man we needed to be saved

after he went to heaven he sent his spirit into our hearts

there’s never a point where God is not one and not unified he is one has
Manifested himself three times to
Mankind once hidden , once manifest in the flesh and now he’s the spirit in us

“Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what your perceiving is Gods plan of salvstion not three dofferent or seperate beings but one manifest in order to renew our spirit and save us there’s just one God and just one savior



“Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


If Jesus is the savior and lord there’s no question who he is
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I believe there is only one God with no distinction of persons.
 
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montana123 said:
Jesus.
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Here is what I believe concerning let us make man in our image, Jesus at the right hand of God, and baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to show that it means one God and not 3 persons in one God.

In the Old Testament Adam was made in the image of God, and in the New Testament Adam was made in the figure of Him to come who is Jesus.

The image of God is the image of Christ.

Which Jesus is the Word who became flesh.

So God had the plan to come in the future in flesh and created Adam in that image.

So I believe let us make man in our image is God the Father and the Son the man Christ Jesus a prophetic statement to the coming Son of God for the man Christ Jesus has to be a part of that image for Adam was made in the image of Christ.

Jesus at the right hand of God.

God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.

Which the Bible says He brought out with a mighty right hand the Jews from Egypt.

Jesus said all power is given to me in heaven and earth.

There is only one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

There is only one throne in heaven and one who sits on that throne which is the throne of God and the Lamb God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

The Son must reign until all His enemies are conquered and then He shall submit to the Father that God may be all in all.

I believe Jesus at the right hand of God does not mean that Jesus has a throne next to the Father but that God exalted the man Christ Jesus to be at His right hand which means exercise the throne of power until His enemies are conquered because the Son is the Savior and mediator.

And when His mediator role is finished He will no longer be at the right hand that God may be all in all.

Which David said the LORD said unto my Lord sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool which means the Son will be at the right hand temporarily until His enemies are conquered.

The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father.

Baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost which the name is Jesus which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles not names.

Jesus came in the Father's name.

The Son inherited the name from the Father.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jews, Samaritans, and Gentiles were all baptized in the name of Jesus.
 
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montana123 said:
Here is what I believe concerning let us make man in our image, Jesus at the right hand of God, and baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to show that it means one God and not 3 persons in one God.

In the Old Testament Adam was made in the image of God, and in the New Testament Adam was made in the figure of Him to come who is Jesus.

The image of God is the image of Christ.

Which Jesus is the Word who became flesh.

So God had the plan to come in the future in flesh and created Adam in that image.

So I believe let us make man in our image is God the Father and the Son the man Christ Jesus a prophetic statement to the coming Son of God for the man Christ Jesus has to be a part of that image for Adam was made in the image of Christ.

Jesus at the right hand of God.

God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.

Which the Bible says He brought out with a mighty right hand the Jews from Egypt.

Jesus said all power is given to me in heaven and earth.

There is only one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

There is only one throne in heaven and one who sits on that throne which is the throne of God and the Lamb God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

The Son must reign until all His enemies are conquered and then He shall submit to the Father that God may be all in all.

I believe Jesus at the right hand of God does not mean that Jesus has a throne next to the Father but that God exalted the man Christ Jesus to be at His right hand which means exercise the throne of power until His enemies are conquered because the Son is the Savior and mediator.

And when His mediator role is finished He will no longer be at the right hand that God may be all in all.

Which David said the LORD said unto my Lord sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool which means the Son will be at the right hand temporarily until His enemies are conquered.

The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father.

Baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost which the name is Jesus which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles not names.

Jesus came in the Father's name.

The Son inherited the name from the Father.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jews, Samaritans, and Gentiles were all baptized in the name of Jesus.
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I have a lot of agreement there and see it’s a pretty complex idea and why so many struggle with three in one

but I agree with about everything you say there I would add this thought

Many see God as if he is high up on a throne saying “ do what I said or I’ll destroy you “

and then when we see Jesus we realize “ God created us for a good purpose , Loves mankind from the very first recognized man as his son from the very first and rather than saying “ do what I say or else “ he was always saying just believe me and you will live”

we realize in Christ bekng manifest that God saw that man was lost long ago so what he did when he saw there was no man worthy of intercession to save us , he reached into the world with his right hand and is gathering us who once we’re lost without hope and he’s really saying everything he says because he’s telling us ahead of time of dangers because he loves us and his Will is that we live and not die such as satans Will is mans death

I like the thought in your post recognizing God was always planning from the start to manifest himself in Christ when the time had come I couldn’t agree more Jesus is God manifest in full and truth so mankind can know him and be saved
 
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montana123 said:
Here is what I believe concerning let us make man in our image, Jesus at the right hand of God, and baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to show that it means one God and not 3 persons in one God.

In the Old Testament Adam was made in the image of God, and in the New Testament Adam was made in the figure of Him to come who is Jesus.

The image of God is the image of Christ.

Which Jesus is the Word who became flesh.

So God had the plan to come in the future in flesh and created Adam in that image.

So I believe let us make man in our image is God the Father and the Son the man Christ Jesus a prophetic statement to the coming Son of God for the man Christ Jesus has to be a part of that image for Adam was made in the image of Christ.

Jesus at the right hand of God.

God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.

Which the Bible says He brought out with a mighty right hand the Jews from Egypt.

Jesus said all power is given to me in heaven and earth.

There is only one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

There is only one throne in heaven and one who sits on that throne which is the throne of God and the Lamb God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

The Son must reign until all His enemies are conquered and then He shall submit to the Father that God may be all in all.

I believe Jesus at the right hand of God does not mean that Jesus has a throne next to the Father but that God exalted the man Christ Jesus to be at His right hand which means exercise the throne of power until His enemies are conquered because the Son is the Savior and mediator.

And when His mediator role is finished He will no longer be at the right hand that God may be all in all.

Which David said the LORD said unto my Lord sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool which means the Son will be at the right hand temporarily until His enemies are conquered.

The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father.

Baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost which the name is Jesus which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles not names.

Jesus came in the Father's name.

The Son inherited the name from the Father.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jews, Samaritans, and Gentiles were all baptized in the name of Jesus.
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“believe Jesus at the right hand of God does not mean that Jesus has a throne next to the Father”

One throne indeed and with an amazing promise

“To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭3:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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If Jesus was "fully Man" as is commonly believed, then he was mortal, i.e.
had Jesus not been crucified, he would've eventually passed away of some
other cause; including old age.
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All who believe Gos is One belive God for God declared this in the Old Testament and in the New. Jesus Yeshua teaches this.

Just because we do not understand this yet , not implicitly that is, we should not seek to condemn others who belive this on faith in God's Word.

No man truly understands this mystery but all who believe God believe this, for He has taught it.,
 
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Webers.Home said:
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If Jesus was "fully Man" as is commonly believed, then he was mortal, i.e.
had Jesus not been crucified, he would've eventually passed away of some
other cause; including old age.
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yeah unless he was the fullness of God manifest in the flesh of man ….
 
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JaumeJ said:
All who believe Gos is One belive God for God declared this in the Old Testament and in the New. Jesus Yeshua teaches this.

Just because we do not understand this yet , not implicitly that is, we should not seek to condemn others who belive this on faith in God's Word.

No man truly understands this mystery but all who believe God believe this, for He has taught it.,
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he’s definately One.
 
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well He wasnt half and half.
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
you guys have a lot of theories but where’s any scripture that agrees with you ?

“In Spirit, was God a Human being? LOL,”

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
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And that's why I told you IN SPIRIT an you can't understand that Jesus prayed to THE FATHER IN Heaven, and spoke of the Holy Spirit descending on him like a Dove.

Read the scriptures, all of these concepts are in the bible, I am starting to wonder if trolls may have infiltrated the site. Jesus went into the wilderness/desert LED by the Spirit, when he came out of the desert having been TESTED of Satan for 40 days it says he came out in the POWER OF THE SPIRIT.

And if you compare God to 3 TRILLION Gallons of water and you take ONEB OUNCE of that water out, its still God. Its called a comparative comparison, Jesus called them parables to explain things to simple men who thirsted fir his vast knowledge, the Holy Spirit teaches me, why can't you grasp what I grasp? That's on you.

I will not waste my time on these rest of it.
 
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