Allah and Christ

wattie · Dec 10, 2021

Some one the other day spoke to me that Allah is just another name for the same God as christianity.

I was surprised cos this was coming from a Christian, but it made me think what really separates that two.

I looked at a dvd on comparing Allah and Christ and the key thing is the Christian God IS Jesus and is a triune God.. where Allah is not triune... and Jesus is only a prophet (altho somehow still born of a virgin!)

But yes.. there seems a trend at least here in NZ to make Christian's and muslims 'one'.

I think it's coming from the Pope down to the masses

p_rehbein · Dec 10, 2021

It is the work of the deceiver and his menions world wide.

The more he can muddy the watters for Believers, the better his chance to deceive us.

Praise God! WE have a Lord who has OVERCOME the deceiver, death and the grave!

Nehemiah6 · Dec 10, 2021

wattie said:

Actually your demonic Jacinda Ardern gives priority to Muslims over Christians. Getting back to your question, the best way to answer it is to go to the Koran (Qu'ran) and see for yourself exactly what Allah says about Christians and Jews.

Sura 5:51 O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies; some of them are allies of one another. Whoever of you allies himself with them is one of them. Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.

Sura 9:30 The Jews said, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” and the Christians said, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” These are their statements, out of their mouths. They emulate the statements of those who blasphemed before. May Allah assail them! How deceived they are!

THE BASIS OF RADICAL ISLAM
Sura 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor abide by the religion of truth—from among those who received the Scripture—until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.

There are many more similar Quranic verses.

SomeDisciple · Dec 10, 2021

Ok, so "Allah" is the Arab word for "God". So, when Arabs talk about god, they say "Allah" regardless of whether they are Muslim, jewish, or Christian or something else- because that is their language.

When English speaking Christian's say stuff like "ALLAH IS NOT GOD!!", or "HIS NAME IS NOT ALLAH!!", which I have seen from church pulpits- it comes off as either anti-Arab or just dumb.

It would be like if a Hebrew christian said "GOD [is not] Elohim!!" Or "Jesus [is NOT] Yeshua!!"

Roughsoul1991 · Dec 10, 2021

SomeDisciple said:

God is the same word but not the same name or characteristics. Remember the God of the Bible is called by many characteristics and the name I Am or Yahweh. So when comparing the God of the Bible and god of the quran you must compare characteristics.

Pilgrimshope · Dec 10, 2021

wattie said:

the false god allah claims “God certainly has no son. “

it’s actually written on the dome of the rock in Jerusalem that sits on top of the old temple mound where Gods temple used to stand before 67ad now there’s a Muslim mosque claiming in gigantic letters “ God certainly has no son “

I would say it’s an antichrist false delusion

wattie · Dec 10, 2021

SomeDisciple said:

Ok, so "Allah" is the Arab word for "God". So, when Arabs talk about god, they say "Allah" regardless of whether they are Muslim, jewish, or Christian or something else- because that is their language.

When English speaking Christian's say stuff like "ALLAH IS NOT GOD!!", or "HIS NAME IS NOT ALLAH!!", which I have seen from church pulpits- it comes off as either anti-Arab or just dumb.

It would be like if a Hebrew christian said "GOD [is not] Elohim!!" Or "Jesus [is NOT] Yeshua!!"

Where are examples of christian arabs calling God 'Allah' ?

wattie · Dec 10, 2021

Nehemiah6 said:

Yeah, these verses pretty much show what Muslims would follow if they really took their writings seriously. I remember Jacinda putting on the head covering and wearing the Muslim traditional dress.. and I thought how would she go if she was in the Middle East?

In NZ.. sure.. it's a nice symbol of not meeting anger with anger.. but if she was over there with that dress in a place like Iran.. I doubt she would be coming back to NZ!

justbyfaith · Dec 10, 2021

I would say that from God's perspective as He dwells in eternity, there is a part of His experience where He has not yet made the decision to descend and become a Man; and also in that experience He may even not want to go through the suffering that would be involved in dying for the sins of the world. This may be the part of God who says that God has never begotten a Son.

However, there comes a point where God, in his infinite love, becomes convinced of the necessity of descending to take on an added nature of human flesh so that He can die in our place.

Since all of this exists within His eternal nature, I would contend that a part of Him desires not to descend while another part of Him has eternally purposed to descend.

Thus there may even be a war within the heart of God between His eternal natures of justice and mercy.

Justice requires that all sins be punished according to the severity of the sins.

Mercy desires that we receive less than what our iniquity deserves.

In order for God to continue to be just in showing mercy to the sinner, sin must be punished somehow.

So, God substituted His own life and died in our place so that our sins might be punished in Him.

This is the only way that the Lord can be both merciful and just.

So, the Cross is the ultimate conclusion to these warring attributes in the heart of God.

As soon as God, from His infinite perspective, realizes that this is the only way, He ceases to be Allah and becomes Jehovah who has eternally purposed to beget a Son (Ephesians 3:11).

Nehemiah6 · Dec 10, 2021

SomeDisciple said:

Did you even bother to read post #3? Allah is not the LORD God Almighty and vice versa since Allah has consigned Christians to Hell. So this is neither anti-Arab nor dumb. Study the Qu'ran and see for yourself.

Charlie24 · Dec 10, 2021

justbyfaith said:

I would say that from God's perspective as He dwells in eternity, there is a part of His experience where He has not yet made the decision to descend and become a Man; and also in that experience He may even not want to go through the suffering that would be involved in dying for the sins of the world. This may be the part of God who says that God has never begotten a Son.

However, there comes a point where God, in his infinite love, becomes convinced of the necessity of descending to take on an added nature of human flesh so that He can die in our place.

Since all of this exists within His eternal nature, I would contend that a part of Him desires not to descend while another part of Him has eternally purposed to descend.

Thus there may even be a war within the heart of God between His eternal natures of justice and mercy.

Justice requires that all sins be punished according to the severity of the sins.

Mercy desires that we receive less than what our iniquity deserves.

In order for God to continue to be just in showing mercy to the sinner, sin must be punished somehow.

So, God substituted His own life and died in our place so that our sins might be punished in Him.

This is the only way that the Lord can be both merciful and just.

So, the Cross is the ultimate conclusion to these warring attributes in the heart of God.

As soon as God, from His infinite perspective, realizes that this is the only way, He ceases to be Allah and becomes Jehovah who has eternally purposed to beget a Son (Ephesians 3:11).

OR, a certain generation of Arabs refused to accept that Isaac was given the birthright, insisting it was Ismael.

So they invented a new religion with Ismael given the birthright and claimed the same God.

In this case the whole thing is based on a lie, and Allah is an invention of the mind.

oyster67 · Dec 10, 2021

wattie said:

Jesus is everything. He is the Alpha and Omega as well as the Atonement for our sins. Christianity is not one of many competing religions. It is the one and only Way, Truth, and Life. It is Jesus.

2 Corinthians
6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,
6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Nehemiah6 · Dec 10, 2021

wattie said:

Radical Islamists take those verses literally and Radical Islam is presently at war with (1) the West, (2) the Great Satan (America), (3) Christians, (4) Jews, (5) Yazidis, and (6) everyone who is not a Muslim. And Islam has a huge swath of the world's population stretching from SE Asia all the way to Europe.

The goal of Radical Islam is a worldwide Caliphate. So migrant invasion by Muslims (along with thousands of mosques) into North America and Europe is not by chance. They hate Western culture and values, but their plan is to destroy them from inside. How did anti-Semitic Muslims get into the US Congress? By default, since American and Western politicians are still clueless about Islam. And Black Muslim Louis Farrakhan (buddy of Barack Obama) is allowed to get away with slogans like "Kill all Whites!".

Pilgrimshope · Dec 10, 2021

Nehemiah6 said:

Amen it’s basically the definition of anti christ

people forget the devil doesn’t announce he’s the devil he claims to be of the light. The unholy quran is designed to say Christianity is a false religion and a sin worthy of death to believe in Jesus the son of God

Nehemiah6 · Dec 10, 2021

Charlie24 said:

Allah is an invention of Satan, who probably came to Muhammad as the angel Gabriel and gave him the Qu'ran. Islam is meant to oppose the Christian Gospel by denying the deity and resurrection of Christ, and making Islam the only true and pure religion.

Charlie24 · Dec 10, 2021

Nehemiah6 said:

Satan it is! On this we agree!

Aaron56 · Dec 10, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

Yes, this is the greatest and most egregious difference. Their “Jesus” (Isa) actually lines up with the anti-Christ in the timing and manner of his appearance.

FYI: Muslims follow the Quran and the Hadith. The Hadith is their historical book of the religion. Much about jihad, calls to war and murder are in the Hadith.

Aaron56 · Dec 10, 2021

Don’t be fooled by Muslims who say they do not kill the innocent. Innocence is defined by Islam. Someone rejecting the tenets of Islam, for instance, is not innocent according to their books.

Aaron56 · Dec 10, 2021

I wrote this in the Arab. Christian forum:

It would be best if we think of Islam as a plan for a one-world government instead of a religion: Think Dominionist Christians with a penchant for violence in the Arab nations.

With that frame of mind we can easily see how the jihadists are the military branch of the Islamic government. Not every Muslim fights, but it is in their Quran and Hadith that fighting and killing are necessary at certain times. Here in the U.S. the armed forces are dispatched when conflict requires violence. While it is true that not every citizen takes up arms and shoots at others, the U.S. can order that some citizens take up arms and shoot at others. For Muslims, this, too, is well documented in the books and in their history.

Also, don't be fooled with the Islamic definition of "innocent". Their religion defines the term and the meaning includes not opposing the ways of Allah. So, for example, they might not consider a woman who did not cover herself properly "innocent". When pressed on this issue they will fall back to their mantra: "Allah does not permit the killing of the innocent."

Lastly, Muhammad was not blind but they claim he was illiterate, which is doubtful. He was very sick after conversing with "Gabriel" who allegedly gave in the words of the Quran. It makes me conclude that "Gabriel" was in fact a demon, which would be consistent with demons masquerading as the Lord's angels.

SomeDisciple · Dec 10, 2021

wattie said:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/n...s-christians-words-brunei-malaysia-allah.html

Nehemiah6 said:

Last time I tried reading the Koran, I almost died of boredom, so I'll pass. It's not a matter of religion, it's a matter of Language. The word pre-dates Islam.

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