Allah and Christ

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presidente

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Demi777 said:
Allah is the male synonym to allat the moon goddes. Allah has nothing to do with Jesus or Jahovah.
Issa is Jesus in Arabic countries (Christians)
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Christians use the name 'Allah in Arabic, which is believed to be related to Hebrew 'Eloah, of which 'Elohim is a plural. The evidence seems to point to the idea that 'Allah was the preIslamic word for God.

In Hebrew, 'el', 'eloah', and 'elohim' could refer to other entities besides the God of Israel also.
 
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In the west it is usually pretty obvious when someone calls God Allah... they are not talking of Jesus or in the sense of the one triune God.
 
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Some one the other day spoke to me that Allah is just another name for the same God as christianity.

I was surprised cos this was coming from a Christian, but it made me think what really separates that two.

I looked at a dvd on comparing Allah and Christ and the key thing is the Christian God IS Jesus and is a triune God.. where Allah is not triune... and Jesus is only a prophet (altho somehow still born of a virgin!)

But yes.. there seems a trend at least here in NZ to make Christian's and muslims 'one'.

I think it's coming from the Pope down to the masses
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Allah is absolutely not the same GOD as mentionnd in the old and new testament. Go to a good library and research the ''origins of Allah '' there is a lot of misinformation on the internet unfortunately. HINT: The moon crescent on muslim flags has to do with the name of their god.

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The word allah means God.

Its not the same God as the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, that is for sure.

But if I am not mistaken, if you pick up an arabic bible, the word God is written as "allah"? So I think its just a generic name for God in arabic and can mean the one true God the Father of Jesus, or the many manmade false gods like allah krishna vishnu etc.
 
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presidente

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Jesusfollower said:
Allah is absolutely not the same GOD as mentionnd in the old and new testament. Go to a good library and research the ''origins of Allah '' there is a lot of misinformation on the internet unfortunately. HINT: The moon crescent on muslim flags has to do with the name of their god.

Cheers,

JF
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My understanding is the historical philological/Semitic Linguistics field considers the word to be related to the Biblical term Elohim. I believe Arabic Christians use the term Allah as do Maltese and Indonesian speakers.
 
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Ok, so "Allah" is the Arab word for "God". So, when Arabs talk about god, they say "Allah" regardless of whether they are Muslim, jewish, or Christian or something else- because that is their language.

When English speaking Christian's say stuff like "ALLAH IS NOT GOD!!", or "HIS NAME IS NOT ALLAH!!", which I have seen from church pulpits- it comes off as either anti-Arab or just dumb.

It would be like if a Hebrew christian said "GOD [is not] Elohim!!" Or "Jesus [is NOT] Yeshua!!"
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SEE Post #3 for understanding
 
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Forgive me .. this should be easy. Believers in IRAN IRAQ places like that who know Yeshua as lord will say ALLAH. Now Muslims that say the God of.. ALLAH of Abraham... its not the same GOD...Allah of Abraham Issac and Jacob. We need to remember they are not Jewish.. ALLAH was all they knew. Trust me.. GOD knows exactly who they are calling out to. Be it JESUS or Yeshua ;)

Quran...some versions say "GOD" others say Allah. Allah means God.. ask them. Just the ALLAH Muslims believe in ..is not the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob.
 
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SEE Post #3 for understanding
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See my posts for understanding. The whole reason i responded to this is that the OP was surprised that a Christian would recognize that "allah" means "God/the God"- and it shouldn't be all that surprising. "allah" is not exclusively the word for the god of the Koran or Islam, as much as some people want to think of it that way- and using "allah" does not necessarily make someone a Muslim or globalist unitarian that wants to conflate/unite the worlds religions.
It seems a lot more prudent to simply say Mohammed was a false prophet and the Koran is false scripture if you need to speak against Islam. I never hear anyone say "Jehova is NOT God!!" just because Jehova's witnesses use "Jehova".
 
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SomeDisciple said:
See my posts for understanding. The whole reason i responded to this is that the OP was surprised that a Christian would recognize that "allah" means "God/the God"- and it shouldn't be all that surprising. "allah" is not exclusively the word for the god of the Koran or Islam, as much as some people want to think of it that way- and using "allah" does not necessarily make someone a Muslim or globalist unitarian that wants to conflate/unite the worlds religions.
It seems a lot more prudent to simply say Mohammed was a false prophet and the Koran is false scripture if you need to speak against Islam. I never hear anyone say "Jehova is NOT God!!" just because Jehova's witnesses use "Jehova".
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SEE Post #3 for proper understanding.

i've read your posts.

Islam is against the Gospel - You have it backwards - the world embraces that which condemns Christ and His Sheep.
 
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DavidTree said:
SEE Post #3 for proper understanding.

i've read your posts.

Islam is against the Gospel - You have it backwards - the world embraces that which condemns Christ and His Sheep.
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By the way you're responding you obviously didn't understand a thing I said. I agree that Islam is against the Gospel, so I have nothing backwards.
 
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SomeDisciple said:
By the way you're responding you obviously didn't understand a thing I said. I agree that Islam is against the Gospel, so I have nothing backwards.
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Not when you seek to blend in Allah, in any, way, shape or form.

"And in all that I have said to you, be circumspect and make no mention of the name of other gods, nor let it be heard from your mouth."
Exodus 23:13

Allah is not the Elohim of Abraham Elohim of Isaac Elohim of Jacob

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
'The Lord God of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’
Exodus 3:14-15
 
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Maybe it's ok to call the Christian God Allah in some countries because it does just mean God.. but you do it the West..like I said and you are talking muslims and Islam
 
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Allah is a name for God. That is true. However, Islam does not understand God the same as Christians do. And yes, there is a move by some Pentecostals and by the Roman Catholic organisation to merge Islam and Christianity. It is spiritual insanity, but these are the last days and anything is possible. Brian Houston has promoted the myth that Islam is one of the Abrahamic religions. Islam falsely claims that God's covenant promise was to Ishmael, not Isaac. God does not approve of a mass murdering paedophile as founder of a religion in His name. The Leopard still does not change its spots.
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amen the false diety has no son God has one begotten and many sons begotten through the one
 
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Not when you seek to blend in Allah, in any, way, shape or form.

"And in all that I have said to you, be circumspect and make no mention of the name of other gods, nor let it be heard from your mouth."
Exodus 23:13

Allah is not the Elohim of Abraham Elohim of Isaac Elohim of Jacob

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
'The Lord God of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’
Exodus 3:14-15
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it’s tricky because Islam accepts the Torah of Moses, but not the gospel.

Muhammad is thoer “ Christ like figure “ not the son but “allahs “ the false gods highest prophet who will return


what they deny is what Christianity believes the New Testament about the son to them this is perverse and worthy of death to our your faith in the Son[/QUOTE]
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
it’s tricky because Islam accepts the Torah of Moses, but not the gospel.

Muhammad is thoer “ Christ like figure “ not the son but “allahs “ the false gods highest prophet who will return


what they deny is what Christianity believes the New Testament about the son to them this is perverse and worthy of death to our your faith in the Son
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Years ago we had a Saved Arab come and speak the truth about Islam. He warned us of Islam and quoted the Koran where it is commanded to kill Jews & Christians who do not 'repent' and turn to 'allah'.
This was a man who was born and raised in SA as a Muslim and knew the Koran by heart.
The teachings of Muhammad/Koran is to first infiltrate by making friends until your numbers(offspring) build to sufficient amount and then you go on Jihad to 'cleanse' the land and restore it unto allah.

This 'friends' movement has been going on now for years in the USA and will soon explode.
 
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DavidTree said:
Not when you seek to blend in Allah, in any, way, shape or form.

"And in all that I have said to you, be circumspect and make no mention of the name of other gods, nor let it be heard from your mouth."
Exodus 23:13

Allah is not the Elohim of Abraham Elohim of Isaac Elohim of Jacob

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
'The Lord God of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’
Exodus 3:14-15
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If that's an accusation it's a false one. I didn't "seek to blend" anything, and Idk where you're getting that from.
 
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SomeDisciple said:
If that's an accusation it's a false one. I didn't "seek to blend" anything, and Idk where you're getting that from.
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OK Brother, then i accept i misunderstood you - PEACE and Thank You for clarifying.
 
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Allah was one God amoung many.
Allah is a demon like all the other Muslim gods.

Now it is just Allah and his prophet mohammed.
Allah is a demon.

" allahu ackbar"
Is what is screamed when chopping off heads or a suicide bomber blows up jews and christians.

It translates " allah is greater" (than the christian and jewish God)
 
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Absolutely said:
Allah was one God amoung many.
Allah is a demon like all the other Muslim gods.

Now it is just Allah and his prophet mohammed.
Allah is a demon.

" allahu ackbar"
Is what is screamed when chopping off heads or a suicide bomber blows up jews and christians.

It translates " allah is greater" (than the christian and jewish God)
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I wonder if their 72 virgins were waiting for the suicide bombers in heaven?
 
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