The water in and of itself is of no consequence. What is, is obedience to God's command. Jesus died for the sins of all mankind. However, not everyone will have their sins washed away. Each person must make the decision to be buried into Jesus' death for this to occur, that is why water baptism is supposed to be done in the name of the Lord Jesus. The bible also states that receiving the Holy Ghost is required as well.
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Water baptism to the Believer is much like Circumcision to the Jew.... It is commanded by God and is a Sign of Blood Covenant with God but, neither water baptism or circumcision can save anyone.
Salvation is ONLY by receiving the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ as Savior, Lord and King by faith, not of works.
Salvation is ONLY by receiving the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ as Savior, Lord and King by faith, not of works.
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I have never said a person receives the Spirit when they get water baptized. I know some people on here believe that to be true. I do not. What I have always contended is what the bible shows. Water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin is a requirement. And in addition, everyone must receive the indwelling of the Holy Ghost. They are two separate experiences. This is clearly shown by the following records:
Jews and Gentiles received the Holy Ghost first and were later water baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin. (Acts 2:38, 10:44-48)
Samaritans and the 12 Ephesus disciples obeyed water baptism in the name of Jesus first and afterward received the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:12-17, Acts 19:1-6)
These scriptures point out the truth that both are required and demand no specific sequence.
Jews and Gentiles received the Holy Ghost first and were later water baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin. (Acts 2:38, 10:44-48)
Samaritans and the 12 Ephesus disciples obeyed water baptism in the name of Jesus first and afterward received the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:12-17, Acts 19:1-6)
These scriptures point out the truth that both are required and demand no specific sequence.
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actually, everyone does not assume that
proper exegesis will clear that misconception up very quickly. part of the problem with this group of people here. is that they are also KJ only and refuse to even consider that particular Bible is not clear from error as newer translation have shown
it is error on top of error where wansvic is concerned
proper exegesis will clear that misconception up very quickly. part of the problem with this group of people here. is that they are also KJ only and refuse to even consider that particular Bible is not clear from error as newer translation have shown
it is error on top of error where wansvic is concerned
that is even odder. The origional king james bible used Old English text. And used the plural and singular words for you (Ye and You).
The one he uses now does not. So that there shows there is an issue in translation.
Peter told everyone (ye) to repent.
He only told select individuals (you) to be baptized.
what we have to do is determine why, and who the "you" people he told to be baptized are.
The one he uses now does not. So that there shows there is an issue in translation.
Peter told everyone (ye) to repent.
He only told select individuals (you) to be baptized.
what we have to do is determine why, and who the "you" people he told to be baptized are.
Through his (Jesus) name believers will receive remission of sin according to that scripture.
Upon realization that the bible says everyone is to be baptized (this refers to water) in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin Peter's statement becomes crystal clear.
Many are unable to see the connection because they don't realize that the form of water baptism used today was begun by man. It is nothing more than a tradition that does not meet the requirement as stated and confirmed in the bible. They removed the name of Jesus from water baptism and replaced it with a phrase.
Upon realization that the bible says everyone is to be baptized (this refers to water) in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin Peter's statement becomes crystal clear.
Many are unable to see the connection because they don't realize that the form of water baptism used today was begun by man. It is nothing more than a tradition that does not meet the requirement as stated and confirmed in the bible. They removed the name of Jesus from water baptism and replaced it with a phrase.
It's all about sharing the truth in love. It would be much easier to just walk away. However, I for one am glad someone took the time to point out that what is commonly taught concerning water baptism is not what Jesus and the apostles taught as confirmed by their actual words, and actions.
What I say is easily proven through the bible as well as historical encyclopedias, etc. that address the truth about the name of Jesus being replaced with the use of the phrase in connection with water baptism. This occurred hundreds of years after the apostolic era.
Your continued attacks cannot change that fact. It is well documented.
What I say is easily proven through the bible as well as historical encyclopedias, etc. that address the truth about the name of Jesus being replaced with the use of the phrase in connection with water baptism. This occurred hundreds of years after the apostolic era.
Your continued attacks cannot change that fact. It is well documented.
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I feel like it would be very difficult for someone to explain to Jesus that they believed on him, but they just didnt want to get baptized. I'm just trying to imagine what kind of faith such a person has. Like "yes, I believe in Jesus, but I'm not going to even do the simplest command from him". Sounds like dead faith to me, if your faith isn't even working enough in you to get into some water, then what is your faith doing? I dont think you can "believe into salvation" then never do anything with God for the rest of your life.