Galatians Discussion

remission of sins is what the gospel is about

it’s why John the Baptist came preparing the people for Jesus

“And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:76-77‬ ‭

that’s why he baptized because God had promised a new covenant that would wash away sins. John would appear just before the messiah Who would shed his own blood for remission of sins

“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the blood Moses shed never remitted sin because his law is made to impute sin the blood he shed and they shed was a continual reminder of their sins Because that’s what the word of the law is for

“But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the ot is only a shadow now we have the truth

“For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we are complete in Jesus and the gospel that’s all we need and all that’s about salvstion the law is gone if we’ve been baptized

that is what worries me, you talk law. But you just continually prove you do not understand the law

1. The law 1st teaches us that we are sinners
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

2. The law teaches our situation, we are so far seperated from God only one person can ever enter into the presence of God. And only after 5 animals have been sacrificed. There is a veil between God and us. And we can not come close unless we die.

3. The law showed us the penalty of sin, it was death.

4. The law showed how atonment would be made. And that is through the unblemished lamb

Jesus came as the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world

Paul tells us, Christ took what was against us, contrary to us and nailed it to the cross

Jesus paid the PENALTY of sin, He took the CURSE OF THE LAW (cursed is the one who hands on a tree)

The law only had these purposes. To prove we are sinners. To show our status, and to show the payment, Thats WHY the law is made to lead us TO CHRIST.

You want to return to the law after we are saved, Paul tells you you should not do this, He even tells you it does nto show us how to be righteous.

We become christlike by the law of righteousness, the law of love, the two commands, And by walking in the spirit

Not by following the law

But if you wish to do that, then feel free.

I did not come into this chat room to argue or fight with someone who does not want to listen or try to understand what others are saying, so I will just move on.

Good luck at following the law.

I really liked the information part of your post there good stuff.

The law is also an amazing witness of Christs priesthood office and duties in heaven , the leviticle is a pattern we can learn about Christs service in heaven on our behalf

the sin sacrifice who does for the peoples sin and also scapegoat who bears away the peoples sin alive to an unknown land , are a pattern for his sacrifice and resurrection and what he did for us.

Once we understand what you are saying and start hearing what Christ has to say we can then see so much value in the law pertaining to Christ and the gospel

More slander, and more evidence of the sickness in your soul.

You would do well to sort out your c**p with Jesus instead of displaying it online for the world to see.

Moses' law is a schoolmaster to lead people to Christ (Galatians 3:24-25)...[/quote]

the gospel presents God as he is in truth the law shows God how Adam saw him like this

“And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s how they saw him when he gave the law they asked God not to speak anymore

“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any more, then we shall die.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God approved their request and then he promised to send Jesus to speak his word to the people later

“According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:16-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s Moses himself explaining that the latter word to come was Zelda requirement that’s what Peter is explaining here about Jesus

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-24, 26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

of Moses understood Christs word was Gods word of requirement why shouldn’t we ? That’s why it’s written Moses law was temporary only meant to last until Jesus arrived [/quote]

Yet it is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭

We understand who the seed is

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law has a purpose it was put in place to give the knowledge of sin to sinners

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

why was it in place until Christ came ? Because only someone conscious of thier sin will ever repent of it , and realize they need a savior righteous people don’t think they have anything to repent of that’s how the law leads us to Christ it reveals that we’re sinners to and will die without Jesus

it was only meant to last until the promosed seed came[/quote]

So, the question is whether or not you think you are still righteous even when the law shows you to be a sinner.

Some sinners don't think that they have anything to repent of; and if anyone righteous, he doesn't have anything to repent of.

But righteousness is a practical thing in holy scripture (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).

The promised seed came in order to save His people from their sins (Matthew 1:21) and to redeem us from all iniquity (Titus 2:14).


I don't think so; because the law is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24-25).

It may indeed be a burden to be under the bondage of having to obey a set of do's and don't perfectly in order to be saved;

However, in the gospel of Jesus Christ salvation is through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ and as the result the love of the Lord is shed abroad in the hearts of those who have been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

This love is not impractical (1 John 3:17-18) and is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within the life of the believer (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6; Romans 8:4).

It is not that a man must obey the law perfectly in order to be saved (that would apply to all those who are attempting to be justified by the law); it is that a man is justified through faith in the blood of Jesus and is set free to live a holy life even according to the righteous standard of the law.

I have considered the scriptures that you have presented and have not rejected them.

Again, I believe that you are speaking in regards to justification while I am speaking more along the lines of sanctification in the life of the believer.

I think maybe you just don't understand.

Believers under the New Covenant have the law written on our hearts and in our minds (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 john 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

The law is gone from us as concerning condemnation; not as concerning obedience.

First of all, scripture tells us that if anyone turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9).

Secondly, of course we do not become righteous by keeping the law; while the law is a gauge of whether or not we have become righteous by faith.

If we walk according to the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

I personally do not follow the law in order to be righteous. I do that by seeking to walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, in the practical sense. And righteousness is imputed to me through faith in the blood of Jesus.

So, you say, "the law teaches us that we are sinners."

But I say, for what purpose? is it so that we will resign ourselves to the fact that we are sinners? So that we will say, hell, I am a sinner so I am going to sin, there's no way around it?

Or, does God show us that we are sinners so that we can repent of sinning and enter into a relationship with a holy God?

Is it not written, that the blood of Jesus sanctifies us (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7)?

The way into the holiest of all has now been made manifest (Hebrews 9:8).

Romans 3:23, "come short" is in the present passive indicative; which indicates that it applies to those only who are not actively pursuing the Lord and His holiness.

The wages of sin is indeed death. Romans 6:23 has as its context Romans 6:22; which tells us that the remedy for that, and the reason why we have eternal life as the gift of God, is because we have been set free from sin and have become servants to God and have our fruit unto holiness.

Jesus did not only take away the penalty of sin; but He has delivered us from the power of sin; and sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).

May the Lord abundantly bless you and receive you as a son.

I will be praying for you.

Posted again for clarity.

Moses' law is a schoolmaster to lead people to Christ (Galatians 3:24-25)...

Yet it is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

So, the question is whether or not you think you are still righteous even when the law shows you to be a sinner.

Some sinners don't think that they have anything to repent of; and if anyone righteous, he doesn't have anything to repent of.

But righteousness is a practical thing in holy scripture (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).

The promised seed came in order to save His people from their sins (Matthew 1:21) and to redeem us from all iniquity (Titus 2:14).


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It may indeed be a burden to be under the bondage of having to obey a set of do's and don't perfectly in order to be saved;

However, in the gospel of Jesus Christ salvation is through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ and as the result the love of the Lord is shed abroad in the hearts of those who have been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

This love is not impractical (1 John 3:17-18) and is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within the life of the believer (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6; Romans 8:4).

It is not that a man must obey the law perfectly in order to be saved (that would apply to all those who are attempting to be justified by the law); it is that a man is justified through faith in the blood of Jesus and is set free to live a holy life even according to the righteous standard of the law.

I have considered the scriptures that you have presented and have not rejected them.

Again, I believe that you are speaking in regards to justification while I am speaking more along the lines of sanctification in the life of the believer.

got to love lawyers who think they understand the law better than Paul and Moses and James

I find it interesting that Pilate and Herod, who were previously enemies, became friends because they apparently had a common enemy in Jesus.

I have considered the scriptures that you have presented and have not rejected them.

Again, I believe that you are speaking in regards to justification while I am speaking more along the lines of sanctification in the life of the believer.[/QUOTE]

“So, the question is whether or not you think you are still righteous even when the law shows you to be a sinner.”

the law has shown all the world
To Be sinners and the law demand every persons death because of thier sins

the question is why do we have to our oir faith in Christ and get baptized ?

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

here’s what’s That means of someone actually knows the law ….

“Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

….Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;

that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:1, 4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the end of the law is death once you die the law ends it has nothing else to say to the dead person they sinned and they died for thier sins .

that’s why we get baptized do the law is fulfilled no we can belong to Christ.

the dead man doesn’t have any part in the law ot has nothing to say to a dead man they already died like it said a sinner must. It ends at baptism in other words with johns ministry of baptism for repentance and remission of sins

“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It isnt the law that matters to a Christian it’s the gospel. But at this point it’s a circle wouldnt you agree ? Doesn’t seem like your going to move and I’m definately never going back to a law for sinners that won’t repent that’s made to hold them guilty I’ve already been made guilty and out to death for my sins with Christ now I live in him and the law has no part in me

“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:1-3‬ ‭

So of course my Hope is Christ and his word that holds no condemnation

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Not here

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I have no need to be taught of sin I’d rather be taught of Gods righteousness and eternal life there’s a reason the gospel is what’s sent into all nations and the law wasn’t its already imprinted on the world and preached by Jews in every nation tommake the world guilty I have no need for that I trust this

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.

He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:”
‭‭2 John‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I would never part from the word that promises repentance and remission of sins , salvstion and eternal Life d go back to what made me a sinner and held me in death

“But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’ll accept the deliverance of Christ into life rather than chains of sin and death by the law before Christ the redeemer came that would violate all
I believe and all the gospel teaches us to believe

I’ll never accept the yoke of the law it’s foolish to do so

“Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not an ancient Israelite nor do I. Red to be taught not to kill , steal , lie , cheat I already know sin I don’t need that knowledge it causes this

“What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Why would I want to learn sin again when we’re offered Gods righteousness to believe ?

yeah so did the preists elders and people of the law

“The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:56-57‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Again, I believe that you are speaking in regards to justification while I am speaking more along the lines of sanctification in the life of the believer.”

So according to you the law sanctifies people ?

No; however, the law is the gauge of whether or not a person is sanctified.

What Scripture tells you that... or anything remotely like it?

You quoted it yourself up the page: the law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, not the standard by which we are measured after we embrace Him.

If you are a new Covenant believer it does.

For the law is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

Your distance from the law, as scripture relates it, is as concerning condemnation; not as concerning obedience.

I'm certain that as a believer you do not:

* Commit adultery with your neighbor's wife,

* Kill your neighbor,

* Steal from your neighbor,

* Bear false witness against your neighbor,

* Covet what belongs to your neighbor,

* Or, violate any other commandment that concerns your neighbor.

Because to do any of those things would not be to walk according to love (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 john 1:6);

And if you are genuinely born again, the love of the Lord has been shed abroad in your heart (Romans 5:5).

What is the doctrine of Christ except what we find written in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) and the Sermon on the Plain (Luke 6:20-49)?

Since both of these messages by Christ contain the aspect of Christ's re-definition of the law as it applies to the heart and not just to the outward obedience, I do believe that abiding in the doctrine of Christ means being obedient to the moral tenets that are found written in these Sermons.