Works

Your comments are so unusual I spoke with several baptists...not so.

If that is your way.......you have wasted 34 years.
Make a change.

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As you can see in article seven, there is nothing in the Baptist Faith and Message ( statement of largest Baptist group) that says Baptism washes away sin.

Perhaps you can give citations of Baptists or Baptist groups that teach that baptism washes away sin.

The blood of Jesus cleanses from sin. (1 John 1:7.

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As you can see in article seven, there is nothing in the Baptist Faith and Message ( statement of largest Baptist group) that says Baptism washes away sin.

Perhaps you can give citations of Baptists or Baptist groups that teach that baptism washes away sin.

The blood of Jesus cleanses from sin. (1 John 1:7.

When did you marry a denomination and divorce the Bible?

I couldn't care less of what any denomination says.
What does the Bible say...KJV 1611 edition;
(may be duplicates quotes)

Baptism is Required


Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:


John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Roman 6;3.... Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Mark16;16.... He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.....

Eph. 4;5 One lord, one faith, one baptism. Many others

Born Again;

The second death is avoided................. providing our christian life (born again) on earth....... is acceptable by G-d for eternal salvation. If so then we are ,......"Saved".
2 Corinthians 5:10 ESV / 218 helpful votes
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

I will not do this for you again. I have done it each time you have asked. You have a computer...forget denominations and search/study read the Bible.

I didn’t marry a denomination. You’re the one who misrepresented Baptists, so I corrected you. Now you’re all defensive. I will address your proof texts later as I am currently busy. But in the meantime, I will ask. How did Cornelius receive the Holy Spirit before baptism if baptism washes away sins?

The blood of Jesus washes away sins of those who CALL on Him, not physical water.

You don't want to abide by scriptures but, abide by denomination..... babal...be it baptist Methodist, etc.

The Bible defeated you on that issue now lets try another.

Since you choose following a denomination instead of God's word.................please show us one scripture of any support for a denomination in the Bible?.

You don't want to abide by scriptures but, abide by denomination..... babal...be it baptist Methodist, etc.

The Bible defeated you on that issue now lets try another.

Since you choose following a denomination instead of God's word.................please show us one scripture of any support for a denomination in the Bible?.

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1 Peter 3:21. Doesn’t teach that baptism washes away sin. In fact, it refutes such a notion. Notice, baptism is referred to as “ the answer of a good conscience towards God.” Baptism is an answer of a good conscience, meaning that those who are baptized have been justified.

John 3:5. See John 3:6 and following.

Acts 2:38. The same participle, translated “for” here is used in Matthew 3:11. “ I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance.” Now did John baptize people so that they could repent or did he baptize repentant people? For he said to those coming to his baptism, bring forth fruit meet for repentance. So he was baptizing already repentant people, just as Peter was baptizing already forgiven people (baptized for the remission of sins, baptized into repentance, same participle).

Acts 22:16. Does not say baptism washes away sin. The view that wash away sins is connected to the calling on the name of the Lord is more in line with Romans 10:13-14 and other scriptures.

Romans 6:3. Water baptism represents and typifies another baptism, baptized into union with Christ by the Spirit. (1 Cor. 12:13.) Which happens by faith.

Galatians 3:27. We are baptized by one Spirit into Christ. 1 Cor. 12:13. Water baptism represents and typifies this spiritual union wrought by the Spirit, (not physical water).

Mark 16:16. He that believes and is baptized shall be saved, he that believe that not shall be damned. Baptism is omitted from the second clause, because God will not damn a person who believes but then dies before they can get to baptismal waters. For example, I was saved in the middle of the night. Did I have to wake up a preacher and have him baptize me in the middle of the night in order to have my sins washed away.

Ephesians 4:5 does not say that baptism washes away sins.

In addition, Jesus said whoever confesses me before men, him will I confess before the Father. Confession before Father is speaking of His Priestly Intercession. Are we adding the condition of confession before men as a PREREQUISITE for justification and washing away sins, or is this something that FOLLOWS justification and sin cleansing.

In my response to Acts 2:38, I meant to say same PREPOSITION, not participle. Eis with the accusative.

I see repentance as more of an effect of the Grace of God than a work. I do not categorize repentance as a work, especially not in the sense that Paul and others use the word “works”

"in the name of" simply means by whose authority.

In our thought process, we either think of ourselves as belonging to Christ or not belonging to Christ. If we have simply given our will over to Christ.

I wonder if there are any Christians who give a rip about the way the Lord looks at our works? According to polls, the Jews are rewarded by their works, although they also, at the same time, earn death through their denial of Christ.

There is a book (I lost it) written by a Jewish lady who converted to Christianity, telling of the difference. The major difference was that as a Jew everything she did related to God from washing hands, eating, to going to bed at night. As a Christian, there was no tie between living her life and worshipping God, it was something she added.

Those Jews who are working to obey the Lord even though they do not obey that they are to accept Christ are, according to polls, reaping great rewards in all ways except eternal life from friends and family, to wealth, to honors they are given. Christians could have these same rewards on top of the major reward of eternal life if we would open our eyes to the advantages of works.

Christians pat themselves on the back for knowing that God looks at faith, not works, when God decides about forgiving us for our sins. No Christian has works as a goal for their life. Eternal life is more important than this life, checking our faith first is most reasonable. However, it is in scripture that we are told there is a reward here on earth for our works. Scripture telling us of the fruits of the spirit is one.

Scripture telling us this is most plainly put in the old testament and it is part of the covenant we call the old covenant. That covenant has been improved by the Lord and some say God took it back, claiming the Lord tells us it is no more. I don’t think that is true at all, God improved it. I think God is eternal and never takes back something he gave us in eternity. Some say God promised salvation through works, but there is no scripture anywhere to back this up but there is scripture saying it is an eternal principle that works never has or will result in salvation as part of the rewards.

Are there any Christians who would consider taking a new way of looking at works?

Continuation of post 307

1 Peter 3:21. Doesn’t teach that baptism washes away sin. In fact, it refutes such a notion. Notice, baptism is referred to as “ the answer of a good conscience towards God.” Baptism is an answer of a good conscience, meaning that those who are baptized have been justified.

John 3:5. See John 3:6 and following.

Acts 2:38. The same participle, translated “for” here is used in Matthew 3:11. “ I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance.” Now did John baptize people so that they could repent or did he baptize repentant people? For he said to those coming to his baptism, bring forth fruit meet for repentance. So he was baptizing already repentant people, just as Peter was baptizing already forgiven people (baptized for the remission of sins, baptized into repentance, same participle).

Acts 22:16. Does not say baptism washes away sin. The view that wash away sins is connected to the calling on the name of the Lord is more in line with Romans 10:13-14 and other scriptures.

Romans 6:3. Water baptism represents and typifies another baptism, baptized into union with Christ by the Spirit. (1 Cor. 12:13.) Which happens by faith.

Galatians 3:27. We are baptized by one Spirit into Christ. 1 Cor. 12:13. Water baptism represents and typifies this spiritual union wrought by the Spirit, (not physical water).

Mark 16:16. He that believes and is baptized shall be saved, he that believe that not shall be damned. Baptism is omitted from the second clause, because God will not damn a person who believes but then dies before they can get to baptismal waters. For example, I was saved in the middle of the night. Did I have to wake up a preacher and have him baptize me in the middle of the night in order to have my sins washed away.

Ephesians 4:5 does not say that baptism washes away sins.

In addition, Jesus said whoever confesses me before men, him will I confess before the Father. Confession before Father is speaking of His Priestly Intercession. Are we adding the condition of confession before men as a PREREQUISITE for justification and washing away sins, or is this something that FOLLOWS justification and sin cleansing.

You are playing games.
God's blessing upon your proper scriptural understanding.
We are done here.

Who initiated your conversion? You or God?

And thought processes do not save. God saves.

So God saves, but only saves a vacuum? Who, what, and why does God save? I think you are just arguing for the fun of it.

So God saves, but only saves a vacuum? Who, what, and why does God save? I think you are just arguing for the fun of it.