Secular Music

Also, I'm just going to be honest here:

Most of the new so-called "Christian music" looks and sounds like a bunch of people who couldn't make it singing secular music so they settled for singing so-called "Christian music".

Just trying to make some money any way they can. Most of them act like they are too afraid to even mention the name of the Lord in their songs. Guess, it's not good for business.

What's so funny @2ndTimothyGroup ?

Don't tell me you feel the Lord circumcised your heart and yet, you still have a desire for jamming out with AC/DC and the likes?!

What's so funny @2ndTimothyGroup ?

Don't tell me you feel the Lord circumcised your heart and yet, you still have a desire for jamming out with AC/DC and the likes?!

Ok...I went too far on this comment. I would delete it but I can't because it went past the 5-minute mark.

So @2ndTimothyGroup I apologize for my comment there it was uncalled for. 😔

Oooooh! I didn't realize that you were bashing me. Perhaps I don't like you as much as I did a minute ago.

lol...seriously though, I looked at my comment and it sounded bad (rude) to me. That is why I apologized.

I like you too. So can we just put it behind us...🙏

I really wasn't bashing you just wanted to clear that up...I can word things pretty terribly at times. So again...Sorry if it sounded bad.

I can understand that. But sometimes a music from a movie let say a beautiful piano piece from a movie is used for an ungodly situation or the movie itself is corrupted so in that case it's hard to recognise that music as neutral.

I can understand that. But sometimes a music from a movie let say a beautiful piano piece from a movie is used for an ungodly situation or the movie itself is corrupted so in that case it's hard to recognise that music as neutral. Similarly some classical musicians had bizare history. Beethoven had a terible ending also paganini is called as devil's violinist. So the problem is, as you said I know bach is a Godly person like a handful of others but I dono whether I can listen to other musicians music because we all know who is the chief of musicians in heaven.

I came to a similar sort of impasse (although I don't play, just listen) but classical takes me to heights and depths that it's like I'm "unlocking" my mood.

I had a long conversation with someone that teaches music that I know quite well because it was a quandary.


He told me how in college he had professors that loved the beauty of Christian pieces (like Handel's messiah, or bach etc.) Not saying those are specifically Christian but I think an argument can be made. Vs like certain classical pieces that are definitely on the opposite end of the spectrum. In any case, he said that they weren't believers and the music was just music for music's sake to them.

Which is sad on one level and we did get deeper into how it affected him but we also agreed that music for music's sake may very well be a thing...for the most part.


God created the very construct of music. If your goal is to bring him glory in it, I don't think the notes much matter.

A lot of it is just pretty/well done and I think the "origins" (why a composer created a certain piece) can be ignored. Neutral. All about in how you apply it. It's not wrong to want to listen to nice music and it's not wrong to just play for the sake of it. "Perhaps" something akin to using scientific knowledge regardless of who discovered it to further advance? Or driving a car even though it's inventor...?


There are though a handful of pieces in the classical eras that are almost testifying of the enemy. These feel completely different to me and, for myself at least, that's a different category and doesn't fall into music for music's sake. I can't explain it easily but perhaps I'll try later if you find it useful. It's very rare though.




Your pieces will probably be different. Music affects our spirits so we just have to exercise discernment even if it doesn't make sense.


This all is of course mostly about music without lingual words. The music speaks of course, but most of the time it's magnifies him by default to some extent it seems to me.

Even when I hear drum cores (I happened upon one of these unexpectedly) it made me pretty emotional because God made that sound and even if they aren't giving him praise for that, I choose to. So yeah, it may be different for you as far as what's beneficial and what isn't.



All this is mostly about instrumentals because you mentioned piano.



Words make a big difference for me and most modern music has words. I pick up on the deeper messages on a lot of "vague" pieces and it just works as a tool and sets me back so I'm limited to my memories on a lot of songs but that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of options available.

It may be possible to "take back" melodies to the neutral space and just listen to the instrumentals of it and create new words or leave as is, I don't know. I rearrange and reword songs that go through my mind often enough as a response to melodies I like, but producing that for others? Idk.

It's sort of a personal practice to "clean up" songs I like and use them for what I'd like. I've seen people do this in church parties and I think it's pretty cool.

There are certainly ways to use it, but music contains a person's essence to some extent so similarly to maybe not being able to be around certain people (that most can)...it is between you and God. I do think his leading is out of love in this area and that guarding our hearts/minds is important. There is a LOT of open space though. For me, it is a discipline to sort of redirect myself to all the available options when I just want that ONE thing that I know I shouldn't have.

Like, you have 10,000 pieces of music and you just want to seek after the 10 that you know aren't good for you...but I've found that if I turn and go after the stuff I have no attraction to (in that moment) God meets me there. Better to have him fill something your flesh doesn't much care for than to have what you want.

With regards to classicaL music, many pieces of the music are more Christian than anything we have today.

Did you know JS Bach wrote "To the glory of God" on every single piece of music he wrote? He was an organist in a church. He wrote much of the music for the services and special occasions. He also basically invented counterpoint!

Handel is another case. His Messiah is an oratorio that tracks the entire life of Christ. When the Hallelujah Chorus was first sung, which is directly out of the book of Revelation, the King of England stood, and the rest of the audience, to honour God. People still do that for every performance of the chorus! He has many religious pieces. Do see it, or if you can read and pick up music in it, singing in it is one of the most amazing ways to glorify God!

Do check out classical music, we live in a secular society, but in classical times people lived in a basically Christian culture, and most wrote music to God!

Hey, I wanna keep this short and sweet. What are your personal thoughts 💭 on secular music🤔🤔??

If you’re biblically grounded, secular music cannot and will not challenge your faith. I don’t approve swearing in music or sex references, etc., but if your faith is THAT shaken by hearing it, then something is wrong with your faith.

That makes PERFECT sense to me. That said, it doesn't seem right if we're typically listening to it, or watching/collecting movies with nudity, etc. Those are the things I used to do. In fact, after Transformation, the things I used to do, I no longer want to do them. And, after Transformation, nearly ALL of the things I used to do, I no longer do them.

I'm currently in the process of throwing away about 1/2 (or more) of a 2,500 movie collection. It was very much centered around nudity, believe it or not. I was a dog!

You used a critical phrase there - centered around. Yes, I think if the music or movies or whatever is centered around something ungodly, then it is likely not good to consume. Of course, that comes down to prayerful judgment on the part of the listener. But for me, I like many secular songs because of the emotions I experience, memories they trigger, etc. I'm not trying to focus on something ungodly and hope I don't.

@1ofthem Christian music is not just people who imitate secular music, stick the word God in their a few times, and call it Christian. A lot of it is truly freeing and encouraging. Since I started listening to Christian music regularly in 2020, my life has changed and I have been very encouraged. More than once, a song has spoken to me or pulled me out of the darkness of depression.

As for secular music, I don't see the purpose in it, it's just empty. Filled with messages about what the world will try to fill the hole in their soul with. A lot of times, it can be negative -- case in point "Imagine" by John Lennon aka Atheist Anthem. This atheistic song in words also has a depressing, low instrumental so I personally don't understand anyone who likes that.

Another thing is that sometimes a secular song can have a message that is not denied by God, sometimes rather affirmed -- just without His name. Case in point -- "Don't You Worry 'Bout a Thing" by Stevie Wonder. The message to not worry about anything is certainly biblical "be anxious for nothing" yet it's not mentioning the solution "in everything pray with thanksgiving." That being said it's still a good song to listen to considering all the garbage out there.

Hey, I wanna keep this short and sweet. What are your personal thoughts 💭 on secular music🤔🤔??