Is this the lie that started many false teachings?
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I find it amazing that the pretrib rapture is the only position in eschatology that does not require and depend on the failure of another camp.
This thread is based on the premise that certain positions are wrong as a starting place, and a lackluster presentation of a "correct position", that does not convince me pretrib future rapture is error
This thread is based on the premise that certain positions are wrong as a starting place, and a lackluster presentation of a "correct position", that does not convince me pretrib future rapture is error
Note: Christians must be very careful in not calling the truth lies, or calling lies the truth. We must go by what is revealed in Scripture, and some must be willing to be learners instead of teachers. There will be times when we cannot provide an adequate answer to some questions. And that is perfectly fine, since God has not revealed absolutely everything to us.
This title calls "Futurism" a lie that started many false teachings, which is a lie in itself. There are numerous prophecies which will only be fulfilled in the future. One of these is the rise of the Antichrist and his being allowed by God to take total control of the earth for 3 1/2 years (42 months): And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev 13:5). This period is also described as 1260 days or time (1 year) + times (2 years) + half a time or the dividing of time (6 months). The Antichrist will also be the Arch Blasphemer of God during that time: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (Dan 7:25).
To claim that the Antichrist has been around since around 400 AD (when the papacy was fully established under Leo the Great) is to make a mockery out of Bible prophecy. God has severely limited his reign to just the first half of Daniel's 70th week (7 years). This is when Satan has complete control of all the inhabitants of the world and insists on the application of the Mark of the Beast.
This title calls "Futurism" a lie that started many false teachings, which is a lie in itself. There are numerous prophecies which will only be fulfilled in the future. One of these is the rise of the Antichrist and his being allowed by God to take total control of the earth for 3 1/2 years (42 months): And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev 13:5). This period is also described as 1260 days or time (1 year) + times (2 years) + half a time or the dividing of time (6 months). The Antichrist will also be the Arch Blasphemer of God during that time: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (Dan 7:25).
To claim that the Antichrist has been around since around 400 AD (when the papacy was fully established under Leo the Great) is to make a mockery out of Bible prophecy. God has severely limited his reign to just the first half of Daniel's 70th week (7 years). This is when Satan has complete control of all the inhabitants of the world and insists on the application of the Mark of the Beast.
I believe in Revelation, from 4 to 19 is all about the Great Tribulation in the end times, but not the Olivet Discourse. Two critical verse to understand the timing are Luke 21:20 and 21:24 -
"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. "
"And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."
In Matthew and Mark this warning sign is called "Abomination of Desolation;" in Luke's account of the Olivet Discourse, though, it's clearly identified as the sacking of Jerusalem in 70 AD; however, 21:24 is a transitional verse. From 21:25 in the end, it's NO LONGER about 70 AD anymore, but the Great Tribulation at the end times and the signs of His coming, that's when "the times of the Gentiles" are truly fulfilled.. 21:25 talks about darkened sky, earthquake and disasters, in Matthew this started in Matt. 24:29, which means BEFORE Matt 24:29 it's about 70 AD, but after that it's about end times.
"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. "
"And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."
In Matthew and Mark this warning sign is called "Abomination of Desolation;" in Luke's account of the Olivet Discourse, though, it's clearly identified as the sacking of Jerusalem in 70 AD; however, 21:24 is a transitional verse. From 21:25 in the end, it's NO LONGER about 70 AD anymore, but the Great Tribulation at the end times and the signs of His coming, that's when "the times of the Gentiles" are truly fulfilled.. 21:25 talks about darkened sky, earthquake and disasters, in Matthew this started in Matt. 24:29, which means BEFORE Matt 24:29 it's about 70 AD, but after that it's about end times.
No, the entire Olivet Discourse is about the end times. He starts with signs and events that happen before the Great Tribulation and tells us the Great Tribulation is near, then the events of the Great Tribulation, and he ends with his second coming and gathering of the saints and then gives multiple examples of what it will be like when he returns. Not a word of it is a reference to 70AD.