We need to take another look at The Garden of Eden

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Magenta said:
Not a lot of understanding among those who think sinning abruptly stops forever after believing.

Notice too that "building your faith" is there, which strongly suggests a process. Take note.
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Well, i hope your journey of excuses ends before it is too late. You don't get Represented on The Cross unless you Believe. You either use CHRIST to Overcome sin slavery ...or you don't.


Is entering The Kingdom, Sabbath Rest? It is rest for your spirit (intentions) ...It is rest from sin slavery/death/worldliness.

Heb 3:17-19
Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness?
And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?
So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

||| You can't be sinning and Believe at the same time ...and enter His Rest.

Heb 4:3
For we who have believed do enter that rest,...

||| We have to OBEY:

Heb 4:6
Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,
 
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extra Biblical
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1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

-Blood Sacrifice is leaven from the pharisees:

Matthew 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Ezekiel 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

-Corruption of the covenant of Levi:

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

-Blood Sacrifice is not what our Father in Heaven wants:

Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

-Blood Sacrifice was not commanded by our Father:

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

-Blood sacrifice is "of fools" and evil:

Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.

-Blood sacrifice is an abomination:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
 
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Entering His rest means that we cease from trying to obtain right standing by our own efforts. One fails to enter His rest through unbelief in the finished atonement of Christ on the cross.
You are preaching a gospel other than the one the apostle Paul taught. According to Galatians 1:9, that is a bad idea. For you.
 
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Entering His rest means that we cease from trying to obtain right standing by our own efforts.
One fails to enter His rest through unbelief in the finished atonement of Christ on the cross.
You are preaching a gospel other than the one the apostle Paul taught.
According to Galatians 1:9, that is a bad idea. For you.
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Matthew 11:28-30
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With each repeated willful sin we voted for this place where death/sin is possible. sin is loving yourself instead of GOD, using your own plan of separation, instead of being on His Plan of SALVATION.

separation from GOD is eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. You made your own definitions of morality to make yourself think you are passing this test. You welcomed evil spirits (perceptions/intentions) in when you eat from that tree.

You cause spiritual blindness to The Truth ...death ...sin.

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The tree of the knowledge of good & evil was not "evil" in and of itself. However, Adam & Eve had their eyes opened to the existence of evil because they ate from the tree.

The Scriptures plainly say that God's creation was/is "very good".
 
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DanielLL said:
1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

-Blood Sacrifice is leaven from the pharisees:

Matthew 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Ezekiel 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

-Corruption of the covenant of Levi:

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

-Blood Sacrifice is not what our Father in Heaven wants:

Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

-Blood Sacrifice was not commanded by our Father:

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

-Blood sacrifice is "of fools" and evil:

Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.

-Blood sacrifice is an abomination:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
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Responded to this in a different thread and there's too much scripture-mangling to spend time addressing it all.

Here's one point:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Notice it says that the thing the Lord hates are "hands that shed" not the blood itself. This is important and doesn't support your point when it is properly understood.
 
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1 John 2:1-2
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So just keep on doing repeated willful sin, right? You and i both know that is talking about accidental sin ...like doing something on-the-fly like swearing ...not planing to do drugs or a sexual act.
 
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Obey-JESUS said:
So just keep on doing repeated willful sin, right? You and i both know that is talking about accidental
sin ...like doing something on-the-fly like swearing ...not planing to do drugs or a sexual act.
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You have no idea what I know. You just assume and accuse.

Peculiar how you repeatedly bear false witness while pretending to be sinless, huh?
 
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Obey-JESUS said:
With each repeated willful sin we voted for this place where death/sin is possible
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That’s circularity if I ever saw it… and it’s ridiculous. Please end this charade before you hurt yourself. You have no business attempting to instruct anyone in biblical matters.
 
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Eve is the spirit of The Body of CHRIST
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I’m at a loss for words.
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temptation happens in the mind, that means the tree of knowledge is in us. It means a lot of things were symbolic for The Garden.

“So He was saying, “What is the kingdom of God like, and to what shall I compare it? It is like a mustard seed, which a man took and threw into his own garden; and it grew and became a tree, and the birds of the air nested in its branches.” (Luke 13:18–19).

Tree in the Garden!

Eve was the first to eat from the tree ...our spirits are what eat from the Trees.

"Eve" means "to live" and was a companion to Adam ...our soul. The only way we live in CHRIST is if our spirit is living.

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The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

Could "living" ...be talking about "living spirits"?

Eve's seed crushes the head of the serpent ...so do we if we have The SPIRIT.

Gen 3:15 NIV
And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”

The Woman having offspring means there is a body of people. So there is also a body of the antichrist spirit.
 
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Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee (named Obey-JESUS) and the other a tax
collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—
robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to
heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those
who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
 
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