We need to take another look at The Garden of Eden

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nothing is hidden from God.




thank you!
almost no one gets this right.
they confess their sin -- and woman accuses Satan of murder.
Adam does not 'blame Woman' nor 'blame God for giving him his wife'
-- Adam expresses that he did this for the sake of her, because he loves her, as it's written 'a man will leave his father and cling to his wife'




hmm..

read that again. they are not cursed - Satan is cursed, and the earth is cursed 'for Adam's sake'
and they are not possessed by Satan -- God's judgement is not a prescription for breaking the power of sin;
Christ is the breaking of the power of sin.
not us. not any work of man.





hmm..

did Adam change really her name from 'taken from man' to 'living' because she is our mother??
they have just ingested something that is causing their certain death.
they know death is in them.
why does a man full of death call his wife who is full of death "life" ?
through one man sin entered the world - isn't death also in all his children?
so if Adam changes his wife's name because he suddenly realizes he will have children, at this point wouldn't naming her "death" be more appropriate?

i don't think you've got this one correct




you sure it's the first sword?
first sword mentioned in scripture -- but when was Satan cast out of heaven?
before Genesis 3 or after?
angels have swords, don't they?
i mean look -- here's one in Genesis 3

it may be the first sword, after all -- but i wouldn't be too sure it was created just at that moment.

How would you know what another person reads?

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was alive. It bore fruit.

yeah I was basing it off the conversations he and I had yesterday I hadn’t read through the rest.

regarding sin he’s most likely read this

“And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:5-8‬ ‭

and not allowed also for the rest to be as true as the other

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we often make one scripture true and reject the others meant to teach us a fuller understanding of what’s being said and bring us up towards the lord into life

it’s good for us to be totally against sin , but then when we find we have sinned which still happens to the best of us we need to understand the other part John was teaching them to be turned against sin , but telling them “ whenever someone has sinned acknolwedge and confess and he is faithful to forgive us and make us clean “

but it could be he just doesn’t grasp it all I know I don’t lol but I think we’re supposed to aim for perfection but understand we’re not perfect d he is extremely merciful to us when we make mistakes

willful sin is different that a believer who doesn’t want to sin but makes mistakes and repent in the heart

Who are you asking, and why do you think your repeated willful sin will not be judged?

oh, get ready for more yelling:


Matthew 11:15
He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

This is sort of off subject but have you noticed this sister ? How thier position and relationship with Gods presence changes here

“And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And then this result

“So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then later when the law of Moses comes they perceive from that same perspective after they sinned so they see the fire and he is hidden from thier sight and terrifies them

“And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭19:16, 18, 20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Thier response seems to be like adams after he sinned and was cast out and the fire seperate then from his presence and the tree of life

“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But then later when Jesus comes he appears as a savior a man whomis fentle and humble promising them life and remission of sins of they come near and believe ?

it seems like the ot has the veil over it looking from adams sinful nature bekng cast out because of sin . But Jesus seems to be the relationship they had in his presence when he was blessing them and giving them freedom and putting them into his presence and offering the tree of life .

sorry I just find that really cool sorry if I confused you with it haha

Your accusation of me lying is not established, nevertheless it is forgiven:

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

I did say the Holy Spirit cannot sin, so anyone who sins doesn't have the Holy Spirit, but it wasn't just me:

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

I never claimed to be "reborn", you did. You have to understand, you are claiming to be "freed from sin", you are claiming to have "overcome the world", you have to act accordingly, as a Light surrounded by darkness, you have to "let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. You can't just reduce yourself to the rest of the sinners and their darkness, because how will they glorify your Father, if the light they see in thee, be darkness?

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

by having died.
thus no longer under the jurisdiction of the law.

see Romans 6-8
Paul does a pretty good job of laying out the truth of the gospel.
'inspired' you might say, even.

Our God is a Consuming Fire

i was saying he doesn't have spiritual ears.

Adam is literal.
of course it is recorded to teach us deep truths - it is recorded to speak of Christ; the whole Bible is.
but the existence of allegory doesn't mean reject the narrative as being factual. you make God a liar when you do that.

you ain't got a very good foundation for your thread, neighbor.



((good grief do i really have to read all of this thread))

Sin isn't a physical thing. How are you defining sin?

I hear truth, not the silly babble you spout.

ok, let's pretend Adam and Eve were literal ...who was cain so worried about killing him when being kicked out of the land of Eden? You know they found wives from Nod.

ohhh k ...so when you do that sexual act or drugs ...it isn't a physical thing? what? Those two things are the reason there is soo many pretend Christians ..if you can use JESUS to Overcome those ...everything else is cake. ...or wait, are you claiming they are not sins to begin with?

i'm suggesting maybe not being so adversarial with everyone.

here on a major Christian chat site's Bible discussion forum, a site in particular that is not terribly tolerant of open teaching of heresy, you're talking to blood-bought believers who are generally a good deal more Biblically literate than the average church-goer.
there are many people here more knowledgeable and spiritual and doctrinally sound than your average pastor.

i've been here for almost 9 years. you've been here less than 3 days.
please listen:

a lot of people come here ranting and raving about some point of view they believe to make them supremely enlightened and assuming that everyone they are talking to is blind. they often wind up just getting into giant arguments, losing their tempers, and getting banned within a few days. i've seen it happen over and over and over.
i suppose ((in fact i know, because i've seen a number of them later on other sites who tolerate all kinds of open false teaching)) that they probably think their being kicked out of the discussion somehow proves how righteous and correct they are, like they've been martyred. forgetting their own misconduct, lack of love & wisdom, and the correction they were given while they were here.

i'm not particularly interested in you winding up like that.
such an outcome is not particularly useful to anyone

You keep on about sex and drugs... have you sought counseling for your addictions?