We need to take another look at The Garden of Eden
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yes it comes back to the accepting and believing gospel in our heart. It was only when Jesus received the Holy Spirit he began to preach it and said this
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.”
Luke 4:18-19 KJV
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he was undoing what satans deception did in Eden to mankind’s heart see where the forbidden knowledge led them in genesis 6
and later when he promises the holy spirit to believers he says this
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
John 14:26 KJV
the holy spirits word is what Jesus preached it’s how his law of promise gets written in our heart and redeems us
it’s important to understand the Holy Ghost doesn’t replace our spirit he redeems our still alive but dying spirit
“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father
. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.”
Romans 8:14-17 KJV
when Jesus spoke in the gospel those are the words of the spirit added to and built upon by the apostles later speaking by the spirit at times in the epistles.
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63
as we hear and believe the gospel we are hearing Gods true law meant for our hearts the one promised beforehand that should come after Moses law engraved on stone to those afraid to hear it
“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.
My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
Isaiah 51:4-5 KJV
Jesus is the lawgiver , mediator , atonement and priest , Shepherd and lord even the spirit
“Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”
2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV
It always comes down to what Jesus said
When he was on earth speaking the gospel by hearing and believing it becomes part of our inner thoughts our heart and faith if we continue in it and don’t draw back he’s gentle and only gives us what we can bear at the time and grow thereby
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.”
Luke 4:18-19 KJV
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he was undoing what satans deception did in Eden to mankind’s heart see where the forbidden knowledge led them in genesis 6
and later when he promises the holy spirit to believers he says this
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
John 14:26 KJV
the holy spirits word is what Jesus preached it’s how his law of promise gets written in our heart and redeems us
it’s important to understand the Holy Ghost doesn’t replace our spirit he redeems our still alive but dying spirit
“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father
. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.”
Romans 8:14-17 KJV
when Jesus spoke in the gospel those are the words of the spirit added to and built upon by the apostles later speaking by the spirit at times in the epistles.
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63
as we hear and believe the gospel we are hearing Gods true law meant for our hearts the one promised beforehand that should come after Moses law engraved on stone to those afraid to hear it
“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.
My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
Isaiah 51:4-5 KJV
Jesus is the lawgiver , mediator , atonement and priest , Shepherd and lord even the spirit
“Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”
2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV
It always comes down to what Jesus said
When he was on earth speaking the gospel by hearing and believing it becomes part of our inner thoughts our heart and faith if we continue in it and don’t draw back he’s gentle and only gives us what we can bear at the time and grow thereby
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and I yours with me brother , sorry if I have ever seemed rude it was never my intent but my position is we’re all believers even if we don’t understand it all yet. So I think patience is of virtue for all of us God bless and keep You always and forever in his light as you traverse the world on your way home
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i have some wild ideas that i'm NOT claiming to be anything yet, but i can't help but type them out as this thread has shown me that "spirit" in Scripture needs looked into. i posted a bunch of Scripture showing how odd it is, but no one cares.
There is something very odd about Angels being "ministering spirits" ...if spirit is about intentions. Are they somehow manifestations of intentions? Are they how we have intentions in the first place? We are just dumb humans, so we don't really know how the Angel's side of the Universe works.
Heb 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?
There is something very odd about Angels being "ministering spirits" ...if spirit is about intentions. Are they somehow manifestations of intentions? Are they how we have intentions in the first place? We are just dumb humans, so we don't really know how the Angel's side of the Universe works.
Heb 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?
i've been explaining it throughout this thread.
Here is the best of it:
Hebrews 4:12 NKJV
For the word of God is living and powerful,
and sharper than any two-edged sword,
piercing even to the division of soul and spirit,
and of joints and marrow,
and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Here is the best of it:
Hebrews 4:12 NKJV
For the word of God is living and powerful,
and sharper than any two-edged sword,
piercing even to the division of soul and spirit,
and of joints and marrow,
and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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oh?
did evil and unbelief pre-exist Christ?
because we are speaking of spiritual things: Jesus says "I AM The Light of the world" - but He is before all things.
He, The Light, created the world, which lies in darkness. therefore the darkness is not before Him, but He is before the world - slain from the foundation.
if we go back to Genesis 1, the day begins with darkness, and is completed in light.
there was evening, and there was morning - the first day.
this is why the Jews reckon the day to begin at sundown.
but when God said, let there be light - is that Christ being created?
no - nothing is made without Him. that is not THE LIGHT but, perhaps photonic light; physical light.
but go back to Genesis 1:1 -- in the Beginning He made the heavens and the earth.
He is Light, and in Him is no darkness. He is before all that He created; He is I AM, eternally existing, apart from time.
then, it was void and darkness covered its face.
did God create the earth void and formless?
or are we missing something in-between these first two statements?
when did Satan fall? what were the repercussions of Satan falling?
is the darkness the beginning of all things, even before God? or is the darkness the beginning of the yom ((the day))?
did evil and unbelief pre-exist Christ?
because we are speaking of spiritual things: Jesus says "I AM The Light of the world" - but He is before all things.
He, The Light, created the world, which lies in darkness. therefore the darkness is not before Him, but He is before the world - slain from the foundation.
if we go back to Genesis 1, the day begins with darkness, and is completed in light.
there was evening, and there was morning - the first day.
this is why the Jews reckon the day to begin at sundown.
but when God said, let there be light - is that Christ being created?
no - nothing is made without Him. that is not THE LIGHT but, perhaps photonic light; physical light.
but go back to Genesis 1:1 -- in the Beginning He made the heavens and the earth.
He is Light, and in Him is no darkness. He is before all that He created; He is I AM, eternally existing, apart from time.
then, it was void and darkness covered its face.
did God create the earth void and formless?
or are we missing something in-between these first two statements?
when did Satan fall? what were the repercussions of Satan falling?
is the darkness the beginning of all things, even before God? or is the darkness the beginning of the yom ((the day))?
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is this what/Who is between the cherubim, turning in every direction, keeping the way to the tree of life?
how many directions is "every direction" ?
is this what/Who is between the cherubim, turning in every direction, keeping the way to the tree of life?
how many directions is "every direction" ?
Here's the problem: you have conflated two distinct ideas that are presented separately in the text. The word of God does indeed pierce even to the division of soul and spirit (dividing soul from spirit), and, also, it discerns the thoughts and intents of the heart.
The spirit is not the heart, and the spirit is not the intentions. Until you have this straight, you will remain deeply confused and come across as lacking basic intelligence. Quoting random verses of Scripture in large font only makes it worse.
The spirit is not the heart, and the spirit is not the intentions. Until you have this straight, you will remain deeply confused and come across as lacking basic intelligence. Quoting random verses of Scripture in large font only makes it worse.
I don’t see you claiming to be anything and understand your looking to learn and also share what you have learned. I think all of us are in some form doing the same.
. “i posted a bunch of Scripture showing how odd it is, but no one cares.”
I don’t know if no one cares brother , sometimes we can all read the Bible , and we are only able to hear what we’re able to hear at the time. As we share the lords word it sometimes needs time to root in our thinking and doesn’t provide an immediate change of thinking because we are at different stages of understanding.
“There is something very odd about Angels being "ministering spirits" ...if spirit is about intentions.”
that section of scripture is explaining the difference in men and angels all
Heavenly beings are spirit , mankind is different in that we are flesh made of the earth and also spirit which is of God.
God is spirit and he is imparting his spirit I to our hearts the life inside kf
Man is spirit it’s not simply intentions but the life force that makes us live and breath it involves and is related d heard and known in our mind and heart but it is the force of life inside of us.
Angels are heavenly spiritual beings having no earthly body who are meant to minister to Mankind who are the hiers of salvstion. It’s how angels relate to man through our mind and heart.
when Jesus was born in the flesh
“And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
….And his ministers a flame of fire. Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
Hebrews 1:6-7,
They are meant to worship the lord Jesus who is exalted in the spiritual realms of heaven and sent to help Mankind find salvation and enter into that heavenly kingdom.
Some rebelled in this estate and position not wanting to minister to man and help them receive salcstion and become Gods children I personally think that the corrupt angels envy mankind who are the hiers and children of God.
Humans are Gods prized creation because it is man that is made in his image the image of Christ Jesus , angels are his ministers meant to minister to man.
in the beginning no humans aren’t dumb. Lol man was meant to be like God morally and. NOt know evil at all we were meant to have discernment between good and evil and never follow evil but always follow good to reflect Gods Will and oversee his natural creation in his perfect Will apart from evil it’s why man was created upon the earth
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
Genesis 1:26 KJV
the psalmist reflects upon this position of man in wonderment
“What is man, that thou art mindful of him? And the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, And hast crowned him with glory and honour. Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; Thou hast put all ( earthly ) things under his feet:”
Psalm 8:4-6
So creation has two realms heaven and earth and in the beginning he gave earth to mankind
“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
Psalm 115:16 KJV
after mankind followed evil and took on the conflicting knowledge of good and evil following sin and cording the earth later Jesus came to take possession of earth , it’s why he became a son of man because God gave earth to man in the beginning and we ruined what he made it all to be a good and not corrupted creation
Jesus came to redeem creation and be king of both heaven because he is God in the spirit , and he became
Man in the flesh and overcame all we failed in before when Christ overcame the world without sin
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
Matthew 28:18 KJV
He is both ruler of heaven and ruler of earth being both God himself , and also having become and perfected the son of man so he’s reconciled heaven and earth in one being according to Gods plan for man to rule earth as he rules the heavens
“and, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.”
Colossians 1:20 KJV
redemption , reconciliation is showing us we ruined the relationship and he’s come to restore it being the only place where God and man are one being the apppinted ruler of earth ( son of man ) and having been already the eternal
Creator never ruler of spiritual realms of heaven
he rules earth through man because he had given it to us in the beginning and doesn’t revoke his gifts not eas of necessaty and it behoved him to become the son of man to fulfill Gods irrevocable word that earth belongs man
man is the apple of Gods eye we don’t deserve it but from the start he crowned us with glory and honor and set us above the created earthly things tomrule
In his image and Will of true love and holiness
Jesus is how we know what man is meant to be , remember the psalmist reflection ? It is answered and fulfilled in Christ Jesus , the son of man and redeemer of mankind
“But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; Thou crownedst him with glory and honour, And didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,”
Hebrews 2:6-11 KJV
we know through Adam death came but Gods plan of redemption is in Christ and it’s a glorious and beautiful plan that has mans good at the center
. “i posted a bunch of Scripture showing how odd it is, but no one cares.”
I don’t know if no one cares brother , sometimes we can all read the Bible , and we are only able to hear what we’re able to hear at the time. As we share the lords word it sometimes needs time to root in our thinking and doesn’t provide an immediate change of thinking because we are at different stages of understanding.
“There is something very odd about Angels being "ministering spirits" ...if spirit is about intentions.”
that section of scripture is explaining the difference in men and angels all
Heavenly beings are spirit , mankind is different in that we are flesh made of the earth and also spirit which is of God.
God is spirit and he is imparting his spirit I to our hearts the life inside kf
Man is spirit it’s not simply intentions but the life force that makes us live and breath it involves and is related d heard and known in our mind and heart but it is the force of life inside of us.
Angels are heavenly spiritual beings having no earthly body who are meant to minister to Mankind who are the hiers of salvstion. It’s how angels relate to man through our mind and heart.
when Jesus was born in the flesh
“And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
….And his ministers a flame of fire. Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
Hebrews 1:6-7,
They are meant to worship the lord Jesus who is exalted in the spiritual realms of heaven and sent to help Mankind find salvation and enter into that heavenly kingdom.
Some rebelled in this estate and position not wanting to minister to man and help them receive salcstion and become Gods children I personally think that the corrupt angels envy mankind who are the hiers and children of God.
Humans are Gods prized creation because it is man that is made in his image the image of Christ Jesus , angels are his ministers meant to minister to man.
in the beginning no humans aren’t dumb. Lol man was meant to be like God morally and. NOt know evil at all we were meant to have discernment between good and evil and never follow evil but always follow good to reflect Gods Will and oversee his natural creation in his perfect Will apart from evil it’s why man was created upon the earth
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
Genesis 1:26 KJV
the psalmist reflects upon this position of man in wonderment
“What is man, that thou art mindful of him? And the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, And hast crowned him with glory and honour. Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; Thou hast put all ( earthly ) things under his feet:”
Psalm 8:4-6
So creation has two realms heaven and earth and in the beginning he gave earth to mankind
“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
Psalm 115:16 KJV
after mankind followed evil and took on the conflicting knowledge of good and evil following sin and cording the earth later Jesus came to take possession of earth , it’s why he became a son of man because God gave earth to man in the beginning and we ruined what he made it all to be a good and not corrupted creation
Jesus came to redeem creation and be king of both heaven because he is God in the spirit , and he became
Man in the flesh and overcame all we failed in before when Christ overcame the world without sin
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
Matthew 28:18 KJV
He is both ruler of heaven and ruler of earth being both God himself , and also having become and perfected the son of man so he’s reconciled heaven and earth in one being according to Gods plan for man to rule earth as he rules the heavens
“and, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.”
Colossians 1:20 KJV
redemption , reconciliation is showing us we ruined the relationship and he’s come to restore it being the only place where God and man are one being the apppinted ruler of earth ( son of man ) and having been already the eternal
Creator never ruler of spiritual realms of heaven
he rules earth through man because he had given it to us in the beginning and doesn’t revoke his gifts not eas of necessaty and it behoved him to become the son of man to fulfill Gods irrevocable word that earth belongs man
man is the apple of Gods eye we don’t deserve it but from the start he crowned us with glory and honor and set us above the created earthly things tomrule
In his image and Will of true love and holiness
Jesus is how we know what man is meant to be , remember the psalmist reflection ? It is answered and fulfilled in Christ Jesus , the son of man and redeemer of mankind
“But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; Thou crownedst him with glory and honour, And didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,”
Hebrews 2:6-11 KJV
we know through Adam death came but Gods plan of redemption is in Christ and it’s a glorious and beautiful plan that has mans good at the center
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Spirit/Life is in The Blood
Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Righteous spirit intentions through the Reborn spirit is The Way to have Life ..because it is using The Way ...reaching for the Tree of LIFE.
John 5:24 KJV
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Romans 8:1-2 KJV
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Upholding His Image is Obeying Him in a Relationship that includes The Way, The Truth, and The Life. It is how His Righteousness is bestowed on you ...it is how you Overcome ...it is how you are Covered in His Blood.
The Way = His Righteousness
The Truth = Overcome the lies
The Life = Covered in His Blood
Mark 12:27
He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. ...
The following says only those Born of GOD are capable of Biblical Love ...unless you are claiming to know Him with repeated willful sin in your life? How did you NOT Overcome anything if you know Him?
1 John 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
You can cause spiritual blindness to The Truth ...which is death ...which is sin.
"The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living."
Could "living" ...be talking about "living spirits"?
Eve's seed crushes the head of the serpent ...so do we if we have a Living spirit.
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non-sequitur.
it does not follow that making an error means you do not recognize it as error.
see Romans 7 -- whether you suppose Paul is writing in past tense ((even though it is all undeniably present tense)) he describes finding himself seeing sin for exactly what it is yet it not being purged from his flesh.
that is why we wait for our adoption, groaning in ourselves - Romans 8:23
that is why we strive to put away the old man, and bring our bodies under subjection.
because we yet find it necessary, even though we are renewed in our mind, and have in us the firstfruits of the Spirit
it does not follow that making an error means you do not recognize it as error.
see Romans 7 -- whether you suppose Paul is writing in past tense ((even though it is all undeniably present tense)) he describes finding himself seeing sin for exactly what it is yet it not being purged from his flesh.
that is why we wait for our adoption, groaning in ourselves - Romans 8:23
that is why we strive to put away the old man, and bring our bodies under subjection.
because we yet find it necessary, even though we are renewed in our mind, and have in us the firstfruits of the Spirit
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