Do we stress baptism enough?

You said "I won't say they are wrong"

Now you say they're doctrinally unsound.

Then you now say if it's easier for me to say they are wrong then they are.

So what's the point you are trying to make?

I just hate to see people getting suckered in by scams like this. It's the evangelical industrial complex at work.

This is a conflation of ideas. I'm not aware of any place in scripture where water baptism is equated with being born. It is always burial.

“It is always burial.”
well you go beneath the water ( burial ) and you are risen up from the water ( resurrection into a new life)

“only the Blood of Jesus can take away your sins --and water Baptism cannot do that”

We are baptized into Christ's burial through water baptism.
We are baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit. Here, we take on His account as if it were our own. This is the "one baptism" referenced in Ephesians 4. In the Body of Christ we have no divisive distinction.

(Ephesians 4:3-6)

Under the law, it is equated with:

"FOR the remission of sins" (Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; Acts 2:38), "being born,"?

and:

also with "rejecting the Counsel of God" (Luke 7:29-30), not "being born"?

Nothing in any of these about burial:

More Confusing symbolism? Where is your "ritual" for crucifixion and death,
Before your symbolic burial and resurrection? Note: there is not one "word
about water" in Romans 6:3-6. *

1) IF you are still "DEAD in sin," Before your symbolic burial, THEN you are NOT
saved Until After you "rise up out of the supposed symbolic water," being "risen
to a new life," Correct? And you say "water does not save you." Make up our mind:

True, Under GRACE, but not so, "under the law."

2) IF you are already "saved by belief," then 1) is UNnecessary, Correct?


Conflation, Correct? In fact, there is Massive Division in the Body Of Christ
over this very conflation, but I won't spell them out again. They are in # 122.

Instead, let us work on this Solution to the Divisive Conflation:

God’s Doctrine of ONE Baptism, Under His GRACE!

Is God’s Doctrine of ONE Baptism, as many think, water?

We are [Key Word] Spiritually Identified With (Baptized Into) CHRIST,
HIS Crucifixion, HIS Death, HIS Burial, And HIS Resurrection!
(Sounds like The Greatest News I've Ever heard!), so…

...some of The Confirming (non-water) Scriptures:

Romans 6:3 ...Baptized Into JESUS CHRIST...Baptized Into His Death!

Romans 6:4 ...Buried With Him By Baptism Into Death!

How exactly, does a physical rite put us into an Event that took
place 2000 years ago? Men can do God's Operation?

Romans 6:6 ...Crucified (JESUS' Baptism) With Him! - And also:

“For as many of you as Have Been Baptized Into
CHRIST Have Put On CHRIST!” (Galatians 3:27)

How does a physical ritual "Baptize us into a Spiritual Organism"?

In addition, there is No water Found “In God's Context” Of Any Of
These Baptism Passages! Precious friend(s), do you Agree With God?
Or, can we simply Add/Infer water into His Context "to fit" another view?

With The SuperNatural Help Of The Blessed Holy Spirit, And Comparing
Spiritual Scripture With Spiritual Scriptures (1 Corinthians 2:13),
This ONE Baptism Makes us Spiritually:

“Complete In Him, Who Is The Head Of All principality and power!”
(Colossians 2:10), having:

“...The Circumcision Made Without hands { God’s Operation? }
...The Circumcision Of CHRIST!” (Colossians 2:11), And Spiritually:

“Buried With Him In Baptism, Wherein Also ye Are Risen With
Him Through The Faith Of The OPERATION Of God, Who
Hath Raised Him From The Dead!” (Colossians 2:12)

Again, No water In God's Context here, Either, Correct?
Further:

“Not by works of righteousness {water?} which we have done, But
According To His Mercy He Saved us By The Washing Of Regeneration
{Operation Of God’s BLOOD? }, And RENEWING Of The Holy Ghost!”
(Titus 3:5)

“Which He Shed on us Abundantly Through JESUS CHRIST our SAVIOUR!”
(Titus 3:6)

This Should “Complete The Spiritual OPERATION” of The Triune GodHead,
But, Are we done “Comparing All The Scriptures” Of The ONE Baptism?
All diligent students Should see That, In:

The Revelation Of The Mystery (Gospel Of GRACE For "us Today”),
with a Prayerful and Careful study, Rightly Divided, God Teaches:

Ephesians 4:5 KJB, Clearly States: “...One LORD, one faith, ONE Baptism...”
{but, perchance Paul was mistaken, and he really meant two? [God's Math?]}

So, What Saith The Holy Scriptures “In God's Context,” About This ONE Baptism?:

“Endeavouring to keep The Unity Of The Spirit in the bond of Peace!
There is One Body, and One Spirit, even as ye are called in One hope
of your calling; One LORD, One faith, ONE Baptism, One God And Father
of ALL, Who Is Above ALL, and through All, and In you All!”
(Ephesians 4:3-6)

Are we All Really "endeavouring to keep this "Unity"? (not so, in # 122?)

Now, unless we are mistaken, there are 3 choices of understanding
God’s Context In This Critically Important Passage!:

1) all “physical” { Wrong "unity" } = Destruction of “HIS Context," agreed?

2) “combo” of 6 Spiritual + 1 “physical,” lifted “out, and”



From His Context, to be interpreted as: “water” baptism =
Mixed Destruction { No Unity! } Of God's Context, agreed?

3) These Seven Unities Of God's Spirit are All Spiritual, so
now we kindly/humbly ask, Is God’s ONE Baptism “Spiritual”?

Let us, Finally:
Make ONE More "Scriptural Comparison" (1 Corinthians 2:13), And Ask:
“What Saith The Scripture?” And, The ONE Answer we hear, From God, IS:



If This "ONE Baptism" Is Not = “The OPERATION Of God,”
then we would have to concede that it is:

men & religion with ‘water' that saves us – any takers?

{ Please advise: Is it not sin to take God’s “Spiritual Operation" Of "ONE
Baptism," and for men To “ADD to IT Or Replace IT with” water? Is this
[ Wrongly Combining, instead of "Rightly Dividing, God's Word of Truth" ]
not why the “weak And Severely Divided Church” is Throughly Confused? }

“For God Is not The Author of confusion, but Of PEACE,
as in ALL churches of the saints!” (1 Corinthians 14:33 KJB!)
Amen?

Thus, All True Believers who come to God, In The Way God Has
Prescribed In His HOLY WORD, By The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God,
And Place Complete 100% faith In:

The LORD JESUS CHRIST, In HIS Precious BLOOD, And In HIS Resurrection!

Will ALWAYS have spiritual UNITY!, In:

God's “Spiritual OPERATION” Of Eternal Salvation For EverMore! Amen?

*
Conclusion: IF men (this study being Incorrect?) are "going to insist on
water symbolism," then please "Be Consistent" in Adding/Inferring water
in Romans and Colossians' baptisms, and make sure and give ALL the
symbolisms for: "crucifixion, death, burial, resurrection, And, circumcision"!

So that there will be No more stress, Ok?

GRACE And Peace...

What do you think and why?

YA __YA __YA ----Same old stuff -----can't see the forest for the money ---your so caught up in the money tree yourself ---

just maybe --------you and others are the one's missing the truth of your Baptism theory and these Ministers have it right ------


But here is the real truth ---You will definitely know the real truth about what water Baptism when you meet your maker ----and lets hope Jesus doesn't say -----Go ----depart from me as I never knew you because your water Baptism failed ------


Here is the thing ---If one follows the Word -----what you need to do to be saved which is to -------

Romans 10:9-10 ESV
9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

I say
There is not one word in this Scripture above that says water baptism is needed to be saved

Then you get baptised ---your saver in being received at the pearly gates than going with your own interpretation of what the Scripture says about water Baptism -----Satan is a great deceiver and as Stanley says ---many have been Deceived about this water Baptism saving a person ------

better to be safe than sorry in your end -------just saying -----

You said "I won't say they are wrong"

Now you say they're doctrinally unsound.

Then you now say if it's easier for me to say they are wrong then they are.

So what's the point you are trying to make?

So why don't you write a book warning everyone about the scammers?

Not that I agree with you, since you are presuming to know the motives of other Christians (and that is solely God's prerogative). At the same time, any preacher worth his salt should be giving away his books and writings AT NO CHARGE. So if preachers are making money off their books, they are making merchandise of the Gospel, and will give account to "the Judge of all".

The apostle John seems to imply that they wouldn't. He said:
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God (a Christian), to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a man, but of God."

Obviously as an infant I had little understanding of my circumstances, let alone knew that Jesus exists, so the baptism event would have meant nothing to me. According to John I can't be physically born a Christian (born of blood). so there's no direct way in via my biological birth. He also says I can't make/will myself to be a Christian, nor can any other human make me a Christian. John says that only God can make me a Christian.

So it appears my Catholic background and its peculiar religious rituals and observances can't make me a Christian. Indeed, John's comments, if believable, imply that no religious institution can make anyone a Christian.

What is your take on it?

Baptism doesnt save. Thats for one.. infant baptism has basically no meaning. I once got in quite a debate about it with a lutheran pastor saying well paul baptised people in their houses so surely children were baptised as well.
But it says nowhere that children ahould be baptised. In fact Baptism is a step of obedience after accepting Christ. Its a symbol seen and unseen for his life, death and resurrection.
It should definitely be a part of doctrine but stressing it and giving a false security to people that Baptism is the freepass to everything is not drawing people to God but goes back to people thinking they can work their way to heaven.
Its a matter of obedience and faith that should be handled the way God intends. Thats just my two cents.

Well, your "emphasis" is a massive turn off. And here's why: I'm pretty sure that if I visited you at your church, you wouldn't talk to me as you talk to me and so many here. And because you would talk to me differently face to face than you do here, it makes you two-faced. We should be the same person no matter where we are, and no matter who we speak to. Our hearts should be the same for all people.

Matthew 5:44 NKJV - "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you . . ."

You force your beliefs upon us . . . what about the clear teaching of Christ above? If you treat US the way you do, I can only imagine how you treat those who make themselves your enemy. I hope that you change one day. I hope that you can love your neighbor as you seem to so love yourself.

Mark 12:31 NKJV - "And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

I totally forgive you, but I do not want to associate with you if you plan to constantly degrade us.

Ah, yes, thank you. And I just remembered that John the Baptist indicated we ought show works that provide proof of our repentent hearts before we front up for baptism, otherwise he regarded us as not so nice slithery little critters.

I've made my point. Have a blessed day.

The apostle John seems to imply that they wouldn't. He said:
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God (a Christian), to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a man, but of God."

Obviously as an infant I had little understanding of my circumstances, let alone knew that Jesus exists, so the baptism event would have meant nothing to me. According to John I can't be physically born a Christian (born of blood). so there's no direct way in via my biological birth. He also says I can't make/will myself to be a Christian, nor can any other human make me a Christian. John says that only God can make me a Christian.

So it appears my Catholic background and its peculiar religious rituals and observances can't make me a Christian. Indeed, John's comments, if believable, imply that no religious institution can make anyone a Christian.

What is your take on it?

We believe that baptism is an ordinance of the Lord by which those who have repented and come to faith express their union with Christ in his death and resurrection.