Do we stress baptism enough?

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studentoftheword

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Piper's choice of words here is poor. Technically, an "ordinance" is an authoritative command; however, in a religious context it's understood as a religious ritual prescribed by the church.
Of course they are ------not surprised your finding fault with the posting -----he makes to much money off his books for you --- -:ROFL:
 

ResidentAlien

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Of course they are ------not surprised your finding fault with the posting -----he makes to much money off his books for you --- -:ROFL:
I'm not finding fault with you for posting. Just Pointing out Piper's penchant for ecumenism.
 
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ChristianTonyB

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Works are fruit of what God does in our lives. But we cannot work ourselves to heaven.
I guess we are digressing a tad from the OP's topic, and I hope he doesn't mind it, but isn't it written in the New Testament of the Bible somewhere, that faith without accompanying works of righteousness is a dead faith? I agree though, that as the Bible also mentions elsewhere, faith is a gift from God that none of us have earned the right to, He has given it to us of His own accord!
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong

You appear to be part of the ...new age religion group...which needs much help. For you know not what you say. PC is your only motive....and there is no PC when it comes to God's word.

Don't read it....if you don't like it. But, be aware you are on the line when you do not vigorously support God's word and guide folks with your knowledge..(.in question here, I might add)...as necessary.

Christ thew the money changers out, many other mentions... ...you know why...because what they were doing and saying about His word was ......offensive.... etc.
My one and only response to such ...bovine residue as you spew.

Be blessed.
You shred me apart like meat and then bless me. I think that says it all right there. So twisted.
 

Wansvic

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Where does this put me? I was born into a Catholic heritage, and went through all the rituals, including infant baptism and the so-called sacrament of Confirmation. Did that make me a Christian?
Please accept the following as intended; shared out of love.
Being buried with Jesus into His death requires a conscience decision and total immersion. And all NT water baptism was consistently administered in the name of the Lord Jesus as confirmed from scripture. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16) God's commands have specific purpose that is sometimes overlooked. The purpose intended many times is realized with greater clarity after obedience. (Acts 2:38, 22:16)

According to the New Catholic Encyclopedia infant baptism is a long-standing practice of the Church. And states as well that there is no specific mention of infant baptism in the Word of God. This alone is a problem since the Word itself states that truth is established by at least 2-3 scriptures that state the same thing.

Luke 3:3
And he (John the Baptist) came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

Matt 3:7-8
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Acts 26:20
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.


Matt 3:16
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

John 3:23
And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Acts 8:38-39
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
 

Wansvic

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I say ----the only thing that is suppose to make you a Christian is receiving Jesus as your Lord and saviour -----unfortunately many use the name Christian in a haphazard manner today ---
Jesus said,
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matt 7:21
 

Wansvic

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A few more comments on Water Baptism from others ------all say the same thing as MacArthur ---Jeremiah and Stanley ------ go figure

Adrian Rogers: Bible Baptism

BIBLE BAPTISM: In the Bible, baptism always follows salvation as a symbol of dying to the old life. In this descriptive message, Adrian Rogers shows the true biblical method of baptism—and from the Greek language, why it isn’t sprinkling or pouring—and the deep meaning when you are baptized.



What Is Baptism and How Important Is It?
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    John Piper
baptism is an expression of faith and therefore only for believers. The key sentence in the Bethlehem Elder Affirmation says, “We believe that baptism is an ordinance of the Lord by which those who have repented and come to faith express their union with Christ in his death and resurrection.”

So our understanding of the New Testament is that the meaning of baptism includes the fact that it is an expression of the faith of the one being baptized. It is not something that an unbeliever can do. It is not something than an infant can do. That is why we don’t baptize infants.


What is the significance of water baptism?
Hillsong South Africa
Nov 5 2015
What is the significance of baptism?

An Act of Obedience:
Water baptism is an act of faith and obedience to the commands of Christ.

A Public Declaration:
Baptism declares that you are a follower of Jesus Christ. It is a public confession of your faith in, and commitment to, Jesus Christ. It is the next step after salvation through repentance and faith and is an important foundation for the Christian life.

I say ------worth repeating -----It is the next step after salvation
You may want to do a search of the bible and see what it says about water baptism. According to Jesus everyone will be judged by what is actually stated there. (John 12:48)
 

studentoftheword

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You may want to do a search of the bible and see what it says about water baptism. According to Jesus everyone will be judged by what is actually stated there. (John 12:48)
You may want to search the scriptures and Follow this ----and then get Submerged in water to show an outward expression of your Faith in Jesus Christ ----cause if you don't do this Scripture your doomed --


And Note the IF YOU -----Only IF YOU do this are you SAVED ----Water Baptism is after your saved -----

ROMANS 10:9
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because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

I say -------Nothing about going under the water here in this Scripture which tells you how to be saved

Acknowledge ----Believe and Confess ------get saved First then get Baptised -------
 

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In the days of the New Testament Church, it was common for cults and the worship of other gods to baptize their members. They did this because you were not considered a fully committed member until you were baptized. And they did not sprinkle, they immersed.

Personally I believe that the fully committed believer is always baptized by immersion. If they are not it is usually due to the fact that their denomination does not teach baptism by immersion.

For me, salvation is putting away the old man and baptism is putting on the new. Like love and marriage, you can't have one without the other.
 

BillG

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You may want to search the scriptures and Follow this ----and then get Submerged in water to show an outward expression of your Faith in Jesus Christ ----cause if you don't do this Scripture your doomed --


And Note the IF YOU -----Only IF YOU do this are you SAVED ----Water Baptism is after your saved -----

ROMANS 10:9
AMP
because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

I say -------Nothing about going under the water here in this Scripture which tells you how to be saved

Acknowledge ----Believe and Confess ------get saved First then get Baptised -------
Hi,

Thanks for posting the above verse from the AMP.

I posted the same verse and the preceding couple of verses and those after from the NKJV

The AMP I think expresses it better.

Thanks
 

BillG

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Thankyou Magenta. I have been to hospital for a heart operation which was needed to keep me alive and it has been many weeks of recuperation and back to a semblance of normality. Being 80 years old these things can take time.
Your avatar is one of my favourites on this site.
Every time I have seen it makes me smile and we all need that.

Glad to see you back.
Thankful the heart op has been successful.

God bless you brother.
 

Magenta

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Thankyou Magenta. I have been to hospital for a heart operation which was
needed to keep me alive and it has been many weeks of recuperation and back
to a semblance of normality. Being 80 years old these things can take time.
Oh my! I am glad to hear you are alive and well and on the road to recovery. I do
understand that recovery time from surgery can be prolonged. I recently underwent
two surgeries in less than a year for cancer (all gone now) and both of them knocked
the stuffing out of me! And then I required seven months of wound care
:oops::censored::giggle::geek:

Things are much more back to normal in that regard =and energy-wise= since then :)
 

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Oh my! I am glad to hear you are alive and well and on the road to recovery. I do
understand that recovery time from surgery can be prolonged. I recently underwent
two surgeries in less than a year for cancer (all gone now) and both of them knocked
the stuffing out of me! And then I required seven months of wound care
:oops::censored::giggle::geek:

Things are much more back to normal in that regard =and energy-wise= since then :)
your a wonderful sister to have and good example for some of us !! Just a reminder
 

BillG

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Oh my! I am glad to hear you are alive and well and on the road to recovery. I do
understand that recovery time from surgery can be prolonged. I recently underwent
two surgeries in less than a year for cancer (all gone now) and both of them knocked
the stuffing out of me! And then I required seven months of wound care
:oops::giggle::censored::geek:

Things are much more back to normal in that regard =and energy-wise= since then :)
Thank you Father for the skill and knowledge of medical people who do what they do and have helped @Magenta and @mustaphadrink

Not only for them but for all who receive such care.

Thank you that you are totally in control of all things
 

Wansvic

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You may want to search the scriptures and Follow this ----and then get Submerged in water to show an outward expression of your Faith in Jesus Christ ----cause if you don't do this Scripture your doomed --


And Note the IF YOU -----Only IF YOU do this are you SAVED ----Water Baptism is after your saved -----

ROMANS 10:9
AMP
because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

I say -------Nothing about going under the water here in this Scripture which tells you how to be saved

Acknowledge ----Believe and Confess ------get saved First then get Baptised -------
Jesus said he who believes and is baptized shall be saved. He did not say get baptized after you have been saved.
 

Wansvic

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You may want to search the scriptures and Follow this ----and then get Submerged in water to show an outward expression of your Faith in Jesus Christ ----cause if you don't do this Scripture your doomed --


And Note the IF YOU -----Only IF YOU do this are you SAVED ----Water Baptism is after your saved -----

ROMANS 10:9
AMP
because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

I say -------Nothing about going under the water here in this Scripture which tells you how to be saved

Acknowledge ----Believe and Confess ------get saved First then get Baptised -------
Please provide scripture that confirms that water baptism is required as a public display.