Do we stress baptism enough?

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ResidentAlien

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Dr David Jeremiah ---saying this about Baptism -----

DAVID JEREMIAH – IMPORTANT CHURCH CELEBRATIONS: BAPTISM

In the New Testament, baptism isn’t taken lightly. It provides an opportunity for Christians to testify to their faith before family, friends, and the world. It gives the church an opportunity to celebrate the news of sinners being saved.

Baptism is an outward expression of an inward faith.
David Jeremiah, John MacArthur: The heavyweights just keep on comin'.
 

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Like in these passages.... Did they go do these things in Jesus Name? Yes. Did Jesus say that, or did they say those words? There is no mention of it. They did not have to say these words to do it in Jesus Name. They were empowered and sent by Him so that made it a fact that they did it in Jesus name even if they just said to the devil "Come Out" or to the sick "be healed"
Matt 10
5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. 9Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, 10Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. 11And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. 12And when ye come into an house, salute it. 13And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Luke 9 1Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. 2And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. 3And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece. 4And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart. 5And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them. 6And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
You may want to do a bible search using both Jesus + name.

Food for thought. Jesus said, if you ask anything in my name I will do it. (John 14:14, 15:16)
 

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David Jeremiah, John MacArthur: The heavyweights just keep on comin'.
I agree with you. It really is so very sad. Many accept as fact what is declared most often regardless of there being proof to the contrary.

People should consider what Jesus said about taking the broad (most accepted) way. "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matt 7:13-14
 

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David Jeremiah, John MacArthur: The heavyweights just keep on comin'.
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Another Bible Guru Heavyweight Charles Stanley ------says the same thing as the other 2 heavyweights ---all 3 agree ----so I am sure you will say all 3 are wrong ----

I say ----
so carry on with your own belief and Good Luck on the other side of this physical world --------

I will stay with my believe and with what the 3 heavyweights agree on ---Baptism comes after your saved ------it is an outward expression of your inward Faith-----


Read all for yourself --Just posted some of His sermon notes --------

Charles Stanley - Baptism: The Clear Teaching of Scripture
https://sermons.love/charles-stanle...-baptism-the-clear-teaching-of-scripture.html

What I want us to see in this passage of Scripture and other passages is this: what does the Word of God, what does Jesus, what does the apostle Paul, what does the Word of God teach about baptism?

Well, one of the most significant things and the first things is this:

that baptism follows, listen, baptism follows salvation, follows regeneration, follows your redemption, follows your justification. That is, baptism and salvation are not the same. There's not one word in the Scripture that says, "If I'm baptized I'm saved".

What I want you to see is this: there's a lot of error that has been taught. And it's been taught for so long and that has been accepted by so many people.
Many people are deceived by it. And what I want you to see is this:
it's very clear in the Word of God that salvation must precede baptism or the baptism is void.


So, let's look at it let's look at a few. For example, when Paul, in Ephesians, and there are many passages of Scripture, but in Ephesians chapter two verse eight and nine, that many people know by heart.

When he was talking about salvation what did he say? He said, "For by grace are you saved through faith; that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not of works, lest any person should boast". Then he said that we have been gifted by God and we're to serve Him.
He didn't say, "You've got to be baptized to be saved".
When Paul who was in jail, he and Silas and the jailer came out and said to him, because he was scared to death, had an earthquake. And he said, "Sir, what must I do to be saved"? Here's what he said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved".


I say ----------WORTH REPEATING this statement Stanley says ------
Many people are deceived by it. And what I want you to see is this:
it's very clear in the Word of God that salvation must precede baptism or the baptism is void.
 

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What I want you to see is this: there's a lot of error that has been taught. And it's been taught for so long and that has been accepted by so many people.
Many people are deceived by it. And what I want you to see is this:
it's very clear in the Word of God that salvation must precede baptism or the baptism is void.
Yes, LOTS of Confusing errors taught, because The Word Of Truth is not Rightly
Divided!
ie:

Under the law and John's water baptism, did "salvation precede salvation"?:

Luk 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans,​
justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.​
Luk 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel​
of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.​
Or, should we just Re-interpret this and other LAW passages "to fit in" below?

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

Under Mystery And GRACE!:

Salvation By GRACE Through faith, apart from ALL works of the law, including
water baptism.

GRACE And Peace...
 

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Dr David Jeremiah ---saying this about Baptism -----

DAVID JEREMIAH – IMPORTANT CHURCH CELEBRATIONS: BAPTISM

In the New Testament, baptism isn’t taken lightly. It provides an opportunity for Christians to testify to their faith before family, friends, and the world. It gives the church an opportunity to celebrate the news of sinners being saved.

Baptism is an outward expression of an inward faith.
Amen all faith is meant to be expressed outwardly in our words and also deeds.

it’s also the pledge of a good conscience toward God because we have done what God said to do that remits our sins ( clears our conscience ) from Past sins because we believe he died for our sins and rose up again

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m other words we’ve heard the word of God witness this

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And so when we believe that and do it , it’s a pledge from Gods own word that our sins are remitted. Because as your saying it is an act or expression of faith In the God who cannot lie.

Confirming to our own conscience by Gods pledge to believers our sins are remitted through the death , burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
 
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Why do you have to talk to people like this?

What about your Bible? Does it not say to even love your enemies, let alone those who are supposed to be your Brother in Christ? How can you cram your ideas down our throats, yet refuse to exercise the Love of Christ that is SUPPOSED to be within you?

Why do you do this?
Emphasis.
 

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Well, your "emphasis" is a massive turn off. And here's why: I'm pretty sure that if I visited you at your church, you wouldn't talk to me as you talk to me and so many here. And because you would talk to me differently face to face than you do here, it makes you two-faced. We should be the same person no matter where we are, and no matter who we speak to. Our hearts should be the same for all people.

Matthew 5:44 NKJV - "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you . . ."

You force your beliefs upon us . . . what about the clear teaching of Christ above? If you treat US the way you do, I can only imagine how you treat those who make themselves your enemy. I hope that you change one day. I hope that you can love your neighbor as you seem to so love yourself.

Mark 12:31 NKJV - "And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

I totally forgive you, but I do not want to associate with you if you plan to constantly degrade us.
 

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Well, your "emphasis" is a massive turn off. And here's why: I'm pretty sure that if I visited you at your church, you wouldn't talk to me as you talk to me and so many here. And because you would talk to me differently face to face than you do here, it makes you two-faced. We should be the same person no matter where we are, and no matter who we speak to. Our hearts should be the same for all people.

Matthew 5:44 NKJV - "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you . . ."

You force your beliefs upon us . . . what about the clear teaching of Christ above? If you treat US the way you do, I can only imagine how you treat those who make themselves your enemy. I hope that you change one day. I hope that you can love your neighbor as you seem to so love yourself.

Mark 12:31 NKJV - "And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

I totally forgive you, but I do not want to associate with you if you plan to constantly degrade us.
Who you talking to?
 

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Another Bible Guru Heavyweight Charles Stanley ------says the same thing as the other 2 heavyweights ---all 3 agree ----so I am sure you will say all 3 are wrong ----
I won't say they're wrong. But there is one thing that should be understood.

These guys make a lot of money writing books. They write the same things and reinforce one another by quoting each other so as to boost sales. The reason they write the things they do is because that's what the market demands. They don't have any scruples; if the market winds shifted tomorrow they change right along with it.

I just hate to see people getting suckered in by scams like this. It's the evangelical industrial complex at work.
 

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Peter says exactly what baptism represents: An appeal to God for a good conscience.
"I thank God whom I serve, as did my ancestors, with a clear conscience, as I remember you constantly in my prayers night and day."—2 Timothy 1:3

A good conscience is important.
 

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These guys make a lot of money writing books.
YA __YA __YA ----Same old stuff -----can't see the forest for the money ---your so caught up in the money tree yourself ---

just maybe --------you and others are the one's missing the truth of your Baptism theory and these Ministers have it right ------


But here is the real truth ---You will definitely know the real truth about what water Baptism when you meet your maker ----and lets hope Jesus doesn't say -----Go ----depart from me as I never knew you because your water Baptism failed ------


Here is the thing ---If one follows the Word -----what you need to do to be saved which is to -------

Romans 10:9-10 ESV
9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

I say
There is not one word in this Scripture above that says water baptism is needed to be saved

Then you get baptised ---your saver in being received at the pearly gates than going with your own interpretation of what the Scripture says about water Baptism -----Satan is a great deceiver and as Stanley says ---many have been Deceived about this water Baptism saving a person ------

better to be safe than sorry in your end -------just saying -----
 
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Where does this put me? I was born into a Catholic heritage, and went through all the rituals, including infant baptism and the so-called sacrament of Confirmation. Did that make me a Christian?
 

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Where does this put me? I was born into a Catholic heritage, and went through all the rituals, including infant baptism and the so-called sacrament of Confirmation. Did that make me a Christian?
I say ----the only thing that is suppose to make you a Christian is receiving Jesus as your Lord and saviour -----unfortunately many use the name Christian in a haphazard manner today ---
 

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Well not sure about stressed but when I was young born again (born from above) they sure talked about it then.. allot. 61 today and seems its not talked about so much yet.. millions of churches so it could be :)
 

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Where does this put me? I was born into a Catholic heritage, and went through all the rituals, including infant baptism and the so-called sacrament of Confirmation. Did that make me a Christian?
No. Your belief in Jesus Christ did :)


1 John 5:11-13
:)
 

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Where does this put me? I was born into a Catholic heritage, and went through all the rituals, including infant baptism and the so-called sacrament of Confirmation. Did that make me a Christian?
What do you think and why?
 

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I won't say they're wrong. But there is one thing that should be understood.

These guys make a lot of money writing books. They write the same things and reinforce one another by quoting each other so as to boost sales. The reason they write the things they do is because that's what the market demands. They don't have any scruples; if the market winds shifted tomorrow they change right along with it.

I just hate to see people getting suckered in by scams like this. It's the evangelical industrial complex at work.
Ok if you won't say they're wrong concerning this thread why have posted the rest of what you have said?

You say they don't have scruples and if the market winds shifted tomorrow they change along with it?

That really doesn't make sense, if they are not wrong with what they believe a preach you are coming across as saying they can change it to earn more money.

Basically wolves in sheep's clothing?
 

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Ok if you won't say they're wrong concerning this thread why have posted the rest of what you have said?

You say they don't have scruples and if the market winds shifted tomorrow they change along with it?

That really doesn't make sense, if they are not wrong with what they believe a preach you are coming across as saying they can change it to earn more money.

Basically wolves in sheep's clothing?
Do I believe they're doctrinally unsound? Yes. But that wasn't the point I intended to make.

If it's easier for you for me to say they're wrong then okay, they're wrong.
 

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Do I believe they're doctrinally unsound? Yes. But that wasn't the point I intended to make.

If it's easier for you for me to say they're wrong then okay, they're wrong.
You said "I won't say they are wrong"

Now you say they're doctrinally unsound.

Then you now say if it's easier for me to say they are wrong then they are.

So what's the point you are trying to make?