Any Post or Non-Tribbers in Here?

So those early saints who died such violent deaths were less worthy than you?
Were they not the Body of Christ?

This was never a question of who is more worthy. When Jesus explained to his disciples that we will not all sleep (in death) but we will all be changed (1 Corinthians 15:51), I believe he was speaking of the generation that sees the rapture. We're just more fortunate to be born in the last days.

Why are you doing so much worrying about the end times? I assure you that you will most probably die before the 'end times', chances are at 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% give or take. So many predictions have been made that the end of the world is near, yet we are still here. So many people worried about the end times over the last 2,000 years and almost all of them are dead and gone.

If you look at scripture that describes what believers will go thru - arrested and killed, or turning from their faith - you'll realize that the number of people actually raptured while alive will be pretty small.

Agreed. The road is narrow. And I want to be on it.

Unless it says which group they are in and it does.

Revelation 20:5
5The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.

Now it comes down to interpretation. It either plainly says those dead who did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete are the first resurrection or you must have a different interpretation.

If I say a group is resurrected then immediately afterwards say it’s the first resurrection what does that mean from your perspective?

First resurrection happens over a time period. I just call it 3 stages.

Second resurrection is only once and those are the damned.

There is only two mentioned but yet 4 resurrection events and all are distinct and happen at different times within scripture.

Well, you do have an imagination.

First resurrection happens over a time period. I just call it 3 stages.

Second resurrection is only once and those are the damned.

There is only two mentioned but yet 4 resurrection events and all are distinct and happen at different times within scripture.

It was to also make you righteous in the eyes of God. God actually forgets the sin and only sees you through the lens of Christ. Our sin was taking upon Jesus and His righteous bestowed onto us.

Had to think about your last question for a moment. From what I understand about both, I believe I’m dispensationalist. So what exactly happens in a post trib scenario? Do we go up and then come right back down to reign with Christ? I’ve heard of the dignitaries being met outside the gate to be escorted into the city. I also see a lot of the groom preparing a place for his bride to be taken away to live in the Father’s house. Looking forward to reading your explanation of which you believe, and why.

The first resurrection is in three stages.

The resurrections that have occurred in the past were examples and evidence pointing towards the truth of Jesus.

(1) When our Lord was crucified on the Cross, we read: “And, behold the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose” (Matthew 27:51-52).

(2) There is the second stage of the First Resurrection to which we already have made mention (1 Thessalonians 4:16), when all true believers are raised at the first appearance of Christ. To this we add the Apostle Paul’s word in First Corinthians: “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed” (1 Corinthians 15:52).

(3) The third and final stage of the First Resurrection occurs about seven years after the resurrection of saints at Christ’s coming at the rapture. “Those resurrected near the close of the seven years’ period of the tribulation are the multitude of believers who were led to the truth through the witness of the 144,000.” Because they would not receive the mark of the beast in their hands and foreheads, they were martyred. These are brought forth from the dead at the end of the Tribulation just before Christ comes to earth to reign for one thousand years.

Exactly! I call it the Christ filter. Not only has he removed our transgressions from us as far as the east is from the west (psalm 103 12-14,) but He sees us through a filter created by Christ that displays us as “perfect.” (Matt 5:48)
I love this!

Hi, Roughsoul1991.

No offense (you seem like a nice guy), but what you've stated here is patently false, and here is why.

There is a MAJOR DIFFERENCE between someone being raised from the dead in their physical body, only to die again later (as in the case of OT resurrections, Lazarus, the saints who arose in Matthew 27:51-52, etc., etc.), and someone being resurrected unto eternal life in a glorified body (like in I Thessalonians 4:16).

In these examples that you gave, the only example which truly matches up with "the first resurrection" mentioned in Revelation chapter 20 is the example from I Thessalonians 4:16.

In relation to this "first resurrection", we read:

Revelation chapter 20

[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

This "first resurrection" clearly transpires at the introduction of Christ's Millennial or 1000-year reign here on earth. With such being the case, none of those other "resurrections" truly apply. In fact, those who were "resurrected" in the other ways that you described won't be "resurrected" in this manner in which they'll receive their glorified bodies until Christ's Millennial Reign begins.

Seeing how you mentioned what Paul said to the church at Thessalonika in relation to this "first resurrection", let's also consider what he said to the saints at Corinth in relation to the same.

We read:

I Corinthians chapter 15

[19] If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
[20] But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
[21] For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
[22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[23] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

As we just read, Christ has "become the firstfruits of them that slept" (vs. 20) or the first to rise from the dead in a glorified body unto eternal life. Again, none of the OT saints, nor Lazarus, nor anybody else who was resurrected from the dead have attained to this sort of resurrection yet.

Furthermore, Paul told us the exact order of this type of resurrection, and it is "Christ the firstfruits", and "afterward they that are Christ's AT HIS COMING".

Again, no one will be resurrected unto eternal life in a glorified body until Jesus Christ's SECOND coming...not second and third comings.

He's only coming twice:

Hebrews chapter 9

[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
[28] So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Something for you to hopefully prayerfully ponder before the Lord.

Okay I understand.

You said the second resurrection is only once and those are the damned.

If I may ask a question, if there is only one second resurrection of the damned after the 1,000 years (per your interpretation of Revelation 20:5 here) then why is it also that after 1,000 years there is a worldwide army, presumably of unbelievers, yet to be destroyed with fire from heaven as shown in Revelation 20:7-8?

What I am plainly asking is that how is the resurrection of the damned immediately after the 1,000 years if all of the damned aren't dead yet to be resurrected? Could that introduce the possibility of two groups for the second resurrection?

I fully recognize we aren't working with precise timelines of dates and times. The ambiguity of the scriptures allows for this sort of interpretation.

I do a lot of pondering about end times and what it’ll look like for the believer. No one in my church wants to talk about it, so I thought I’d bring it here.

I have heard a few theologians proclaim that a pre-trib rapture is false doctrine, and a “lie from the pit of hell”.

I’m a pre-tribber married to a post tribber, and frankly, his arguments for a post tribulational rapture don’t hold water as far as I’m concerned. Perhaps a post-tribber from this forum can make me understand.

A question about Jesus resurrection.
When Jesus appeared to the disciples, He had open wounds in His feet, hands and side.
How is this possible if He was resurrected in a glorified body?
This has led me to believe He was resurrected in the flesh and was glorified later.

Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome To Chat.

GRACE And Peace...

Speaking of imagination lol. Anyways do you have scripture to show this?

I disagree because the physical resurrections was exactly that, only physical.

Jesus literally appeared, disappeared, had some miraculous look that took Mary and the two disciples time to figure out if It was Jesus, and yet he was also very much a physical body that Thomas could feel.