DOES THE HOLY SPIRIT INSTRUCT US TO BE CLOTHED IN PUBLIC?

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2 Peter 1
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3 Jesus has the power of God. And his power has given us everything we need to live a life devoted to God. We have these things because we know him. Jesus chose us by his glory and goodness, 4 through which he also gave us the very great and rich gifts that he promised us. With these gifts you can share in being like God. And so you will escape the ruin that comes to people in the world because of the evil things they want.

5 Because you have these blessings, do all you can to add to your life these things: to your faith add goodness; to your goodness add knowledge; 6 to your knowledge add self-control; to your self-control add patience; to your patience add devotion to God; 7 to your devotion add kindness toward your brothers and sisters in Christ, and to this kindness add love. 8 If all these things are in you and growing, you will never fail to be useful to God. You will produce the kind of fruit that should come from your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But those who don’t grow in these blessings are blind. They cannot see clearly what they have. They have forgotten that they were cleansed from their past sins.

10 My brothers and sisters, God called you and chose you to be his. Do your best to live in a way that shows you really are God’s called and chosen people. If you do all this, you will never fall. 11 And you will be given a very great welcome into the kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, a kingdom that never ends.

12 You already know these things. You are very strong in the truth you have. But I am always going to help you remember them. 13 While I am still living here on earth, I think it is right for me to remind you of them. 14 I know that I must soon leave this body. Our Lord Jesus Christ has shown me that. 15 I will try my best to make sure you remember these things even after I am gone.
 
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posthuman said:
not that the law is amoral - but there is no division in the law of the Mosaic covenant.
it is one law; breaking the least of it, any part of it, makes one guilty of all of it.

dividing the law into 'moral' and 'civil' and 'ceremonial' parts is a purely human invention.
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Let's not get sidetracked in this. And, teach the immature believer what he needs to know to grow.

"1. What is the Ceremonial Law?

The duties which the law of God as revealed through Moses demands of us, the Israelites, in particular, as the professors of its religion." http://www.jewish-history.com/catechism/ceremonial.html

http://www.jewish-history.com/catechism/default.htm
http://www.jewish-history.com/library.htm

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8. What is the moral law?

Commandments and prohibitions which our religion lays upon us as members of the human family, dependent, as other men are, upon the bounty of God; and the observance of which is founded even upon human reason, and is necessary towards promoting the peace and happiness of mankind at large. They are called in the bible Mitzvot or commandments.

"And ye shall remember all the commandments of the Lord, and do them; and that ye seek not after the inclinations of your heart and the delight of your eyes, in pursuit of which ye have been led astray. That ye may remember and so all my commandments, and be holy unto your God." Numb. xv. 39,40."
http://www.jewish-history.com/catechism/catech05.htm
 
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Sudakar said:
You think you are capable. I think Christ is capable in me.

But yet you haven't quoted a single verse to prove your theory babies are born without faith in Jesus & with the knowledge of good and evil!

You seem to think God made a mistake by creating babies without faith in Jesus!
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You haven't quoted a single verse to prove your theory babies are born with faith in Jesus. Moreover, I did not say babies were born with the knowledge of good and evil. More of your senseless blather. Nor have I said anything about God making any mistake. It is just as I predicted: you erroneously assume and falsely accuse. That is your modus operandi, which shows who you are a child of.
 
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Magenta said:
You haven't quoted a single verse to prove your theory babies are born with faith in Jesus. Moreover, I did not say babies were born with the knowledge of good and evil. More of your senseless blather. Nor have I said anything about God making any mistake. It is just as I predicted: you erroneously assume and falsely accuse. That is your modus operandi, which shows who you are a child of.
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If God didn't make a mistake when creating babies, why do you say not all babies believe in Jesus?
 
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TheLearner said:
Let's not get sidetracked in this. And, teach the immature believer what he needs to know to grow.

"1. What is the Ceremonial Law?

The duties which the law of God as revealed through Moses demands of us, the Israelites, in particular, as the professors of its religion." http://www.jewish-history.com/catechism/ceremonial.html

http://www.jewish-history.com/catechism/default.htm
http://www.jewish-history.com/library.htm

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8. What is the moral law?

Commandments and prohibitions which our religion lays upon us as members of the human family, dependent, as other men are, upon the bounty of God; and the observance of which is founded even upon human reason, and is necessary towards promoting the peace and happiness of mankind at large. They are called in the bible Mitzvot or commandments.

"And ye shall remember all the commandments of the Lord, and do them; and that ye seek not after the inclinations of your heart and the delight of your eyes, in pursuit of which ye have been led astray. That ye may remember and so all my commandments, and be holy unto your God." Numb. xv. 39,40."
http://www.jewish-history.com/catechism/catech05.htm
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Are you justified before God by fulfilling the moral law or by faith Jesus has fulfilled the moral law on our behalf?
 
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TheLearner said:
Ephesians 2:8-10
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8 I mean that you have been saved by grace because you believed. You did not save yourselves; it was a gift from God. 9 You are not saved by the things you have done, so there is nothing to boast about. 10 God has made us what we are. In Christ Jesus, God made us new people so that we would spend our lives doing the good things he had already planned for us to do.

Also, wearing clothes is choice for protection and modesty.
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Staying unclothed in God's most holy presence was considered good by Adam and Eve till they did not choose the moral law. Do you consider it evil? If yes, aren't you yet delivered from the moral law by faith in Christ's sacrifice?
 
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TheLearner said:
You have not proved that all babies believe in Jesus by faith.
Now if you want to ask where do babies go when they die, start a thread on that.
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Mathew 18:5: "And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me".

'One such little child' refers to any child & all little children. It is in this background that Jesus says 'one of these little ones which believe in me (Mathew18:6)' to refer to all little children.

This is clear proof Jesus says all little children believe in Him.
 
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TheLearner said:
out of context and mis-applied poor proof texting
See Romans 14

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Are you saying Biblical context contradicts Biblical text?

Romans 14:14:" I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean".

The knowledge of good & evil made humans esteem staying unclothed as sinful!
 
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Sudakar said:
Are you saying Biblical context contradicts Biblical text?

Romans 14:14:" I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean".

The knowledge of good & evil made humans esteem staying unclothed as sinful!
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I am saying your hermentics and exegesis is very poor, An grade of F- based on the verse you misused brother, friend.

Also, they put on clothes because they had disobeyed God's Command, thus in shame they put on clothes.

Who is your Pastor and what church do you go to?
 
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I am saying your hermentics and exegesis is very poor, An grade of F- based on the verse you misused brother, friend.

Also, they put on clothes because they had disobeyed God's Command, thus in shame they put on clothes.

Who is your Pastor and what church do you go to?
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They put on clothes after they started to esteem staying unclothed is sinful. But before they had the moral knowledge, they stayed unclothed.

Are you saying your pastor & church teaches you truth & saves you? Rely on Jesus.
 
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Sudakar said:
Are you justified before God by fulfilling the moral law or by faith Jesus has fulfilled the moral law on our behalf?
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I already answered that Eph 2:10 II Peter 1 now add Fruit of the Vine and Fruit of the Spirit. Bottom line, good works are natural to those born of the Spirit.
 
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Sudakar said:
Staying unclothed in God's most holy presence was considered good by Adam and Eve till they did not choose the moral law. Do you consider it evil? If yes, aren't you yet delivered from the moral law by faith in Christ's sacrifice?
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Try answering the questions of others rather than repeating what has been answered.
 
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Sudakar said:
Mathew 18:5: "And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me".

'One such little child' refers to any child & all little children. It is in this background that Jesus says 'one of these little ones which believe in me (Mathew18:6)' to refer to all little children.

This is clear proof Jesus says all little children believe in Him.
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That misclaim has already been answered. Go back and read
 
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Sudakar said:
They put on clothes after they started to esteem staying unclothed is sinful. But before they had the moral knowledge, they stayed unclothed.

Are you saying your pastor & church teaches you truth & saves you? Rely on Jesus.
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At this point I wonder which Jesus you believe in.

I did not see your answer to my questions:
Who is your physical pastor on earth?
What Church do you go to?
What is the name of the sect you belong to?
Have you joined Trolls are us?
 
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