Milk or Meat? What are you getting

Those are metaphors for the basics of the faith vs the deeper things of God. Every babe in Christ must first be fed milk and only later meat (just like infants and children). Unfortunately too many Christians fail to go on to the meatier aspects of the Word.

I thought that you would know better; This has nothing to do with mixing meat and milk. You know that it is not literately meat and milk. How could the word of God be literately meat or milk.

It seems hard for people to stop thinking that the bible teaches that we should not give deep subjects to new Christians. It does not say that anywhere.

Of course, I know better.

I was only responding to Magenta's photo that she posted.

The problem I have with this common idea is what people are calling the milk. If it is Hebrews 6:1 then fine.

I really need an example of what people are saying when they say that a new Christian needs milk. Because too often it seems like they are suggesting that they should be taught something that they are calling milk that is not what Hebrews 6:1 describes.

For example if I were teaching new Christians class all about the judgments of God in scripture and the theological reason for judgments there is a good chance people would say I am trying to teach them meat and they are not ready for it.

So I think many misunderstand this whole milk and meat concept making up ideas that the scriptures don't teach using verses that don't support their idea about milk and meat.

For example when Peter says as newborn babes desire the sincere milk of the word, he was not talking to new Christians only. He was talking to any believer. We should value the Word of God as our means of growth just as a newborn babe requires only milk. Only the Word will feed us. No matter how long we have known the Lord we are to..as newborn babes desire the milk of the Word.

It seems hard for people to stop thinking that the bible teaches that we should not give deep subjects to new Christians. It does not say that anywhere.

The problem I have with this common idea is what people are calling the milk. If it is Hebrews 6:1 then fine.

I really need an example of what people are saying when they say that a new Christian needs milk. Because too often it seems like they are suggesting that they should be taught something that they are calling milk that is not what Hebrews 6:1 describes.

For example if I were teaching new Christians class all about the judgments of God in scripture and the theological reason for judgments there is a good chance people would say I am trying to teach them meat and they are not ready for it.

So I think many misunderstand this whole milk and meat concept making up ideas that the scriptures don't teach using verses that don't support their idea about milk and meat.

For example when Peter says as newborn babes desire the sincere milk of the word, he was not talking to new Christians only. He was talking to any believer. We should value the Word of God as our means of growth just as a newborn babe requires only milk. Only the Word will feed us. No matter how long we have known the Lord we are to..as newborn babes desire the milk of the Word.

It seems hard for people to stop thinking that the bible teaches that we should not give deep subjects to new Christians. It does not say that anywhere.

Living for Him is a part of it here is part of a follow up to this post I am working on.
Lets look at some of the meat of the word that you should know and understand. I am just going to go through several things that may or may not be taught in your church. You should know them if you have been a christian for any length of time.



Hebrews chapter 5

The Perfect High Priest

1For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: 2Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity. 3And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. 4And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron. 5So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.6As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.11Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13For every one that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Paul was trying to explain some of the deeper things in the word and they could not handle it. Notice the verses in bold. They should have been teachers by this time but instead they need to go back to the milk “baby bottle” If you are not raised up how can you help anyone else. You have to have sharp senses to tell the difference between good and evil. Between truth and a lie. Most churches never get their flock off the milk. They do not want to rock the boat.

Who was Melchizedek? Genesis 14

17And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale. 18And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

19And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

20And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

21And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself. 22And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth, 23That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich: 24Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.

Verse 17. Who is the king of Sodom? He is the King of Sodom and Gomorrah. A king that not only allowed the worst type of sin but most likely encouraged it. He is a type of Satan.

Strong's Hebrew 5467: (Sodom = 'burning'1) a Canaanite city, usually paired with Gomorrah, located in the area of the Dead Sea and the Jordan river; both cities destroyed by God in judgment.

Verse 18. Who is Melchisedec king of Salem? He is a type of Jesus.

Then Melchizedek
Strong's Hebrew 4442: Melchizedek = 'my king is Sedek' 1) king of Salem and priest of the Most High God to whom Abram paid tithe after the battle he fought to free Lot; 'the order of Melchizedek' the order of the priesthood to which Christ belongs
Strong's,Hebrew,4428: 1)king,of,SalemNoun,proper,feminine,singular
Strong's Hebrew 8004: Salem = 'peace' 1) the place of which Melchizedek was king1a) most Jewish commentators affirm that,it,is,the,same,as,Jerusalem.

Remember these verses from Romans chapter 5.

5So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.6As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

What does it mean to fear the Lord

Fearing the Lord means to be in reverent awe of His holiness, to give Him complete reverence and to honor Him as the God of great glory, majesty, purity and power.

If that were true Paul would not have contrasted milk with meat in Hebrews. When a person is a new convert, that person needs to learn many basic things about salvation and sanctification and prayer. Those basics are "milk". Paul calls them "the principles of the doctrine of Christ" (which includes the deity of Christ and the Trinity).

Many may not even have a proper grasp of the life of Christ, and what is in the four Gospels, including His teachings, and the events leading up to the crucifixion. Then they need to be taught about the meaning of Christian baptism, and if not baptized they need to take that step. (There are some here who believe that Christian baptism is obsolete, others who think it is in the name of "Jesus" only).

One does not get into the more involved teachings of Scripture as well as eschatology (for example), and dump all this on someone who is brand new to the faith. Some people do not even know about Heaven, Hades, and Hell, and there are so many false teachings which need to be addressed. So you are completely mistaken is trying to avoid this distinction.

There are so many extremely basic questions on CC for example, that one wonders if some have had any teaching at all. For example something about having the awareness of sin. You would think this is an elementary teaching, not something to be discussed.

The problem I have with this common idea is what people are calling the milk. If it is Hebrews 6:1 then fine.

I really need an example of what people are saying when they say that a new Christian needs milk. Because too often it seems like they are suggesting that they should be taught something that they are calling milk that is not what Hebrews 6:1 describes.

For example if I were teaching new Christians class all about the judgments of God in scripture and the theological reason for judgments there is a good chance people would say I am trying to teach them meat and they are not ready for it.

So I think many misunderstand this whole milk and meat concept making up ideas that the scriptures don't teach using verses that don't support their idea about milk and meat.

For example when Peter says as newborn babes desire the sincere milk of the word, he was not talking to new Christians only. He was talking to any believer. We should value the Word of God as our means of growth just as a newborn babe requires only milk. Only the Word will feed us. No matter how long we have known the Lord we are to..as newborn babes desire the milk of the Word.

It seems hard for people to stop thinking that the bible teaches that we should not give deep subjects to new Christians. It does not say that anywhere.

a new Christian needs to accept and believe this type of thing it’s simple , we don’t need deep understanding it’s a seed that needs to be planted in the mknd and heart and believed

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what I’m saying is this statement and all those like it we find in The Bible is teaching us truth about Jesus his purpose in coming is to save us , not to destroy us . He explores us to accept and believe because he can save us if we do.

Scriptures like John 3:16 are easy to swallow and become the basic reasons we first fall in love with Jesus he’s our savior , he came and died for our sins so we could love and have everlasting life with him if we believe……

this is milk that is for youngsters to establish them understanding the basics about Jesus he is for us not against us so like in the ot when God came near me spoke man did this

“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“If I hear what Gods saying any more I’m gonna die “

when we accept the milk on the gospel like John 3:16 as new believers we find the opposite reaction to coming close and hearing his word

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This again is milk it’s teaching us that Gods word isnt there to condemn us , but to save us from our sins. As Christian’s we need to accept the milk parts because they are also true.

we can become rigid and legalistic like those of the law if we don’t allow for others to be immature but still belong to Jesus .

If we forget that everyday Gods mercy is renewed towards believers in him we can end up taking those who really truly need to accept the good pure Milk that teaches us he is on our side and completely everything he’s done and said is to save us we can have a distorted view of even who he is if we look not at Jesus but elsewhere to know him

the milk is easy to take d important to believe but as we grow meat becomes required more and more to keep us from becoming stagnant and living the life of a new born at the age of fourty

we have to grow up in faith just like in life so our diet changes as we grow we always still drink milk and always believe it forever after we first believe it becomes established but later we need the meat and potatoes or we become malnutritioned and weak and eventually we are a grown up trying to live as a baby with never growing up and taking responsibility and learning and growing

it’s important to have the right view of Gods word of we think it’s there to condemn us well stay away if we understand it’s there to save us we’ll come near and hear and believe and follow it

We are in agreement about there being first principles of the oracles of Christ and that they should be a foundation laid first and how one can properly call that milk.

However many people will redefine milk as something other than these principles listed. They think those principles are too deep for the new Christian. For example it lists eternal judgement, and when one teaches on the theology of eternal judgment they will be knee deep in eschatology and they will soon be accused of teaching meat.

It lists Baptisms plural. Many will avoid trying to explain how baptisms are plural because they think that is meat, and so they just talk about one Baptism. By doing that they have redefined the biblical definition of what is the first principles of the oracles of Christ thinking that baptisms plural is too much for the new Christian and what they have done is made up their own ideas about what is milk and what it meat.

So you see, if we do stick to the Biblical definition of the milk and use the Heb 6:1 list as an example instead of making up our own ideas of what is milk then we do well.

It is when people make up their own ideas about what is milk that I have an issue with.

Many will not teach these doctrines in Heb 6:1 in the way they should be handled because they say that their people are still needing milk and are not ready for the meat. LOL This IS the MILK.

I do not have a problem with teaching Hebrews 6 to new Christians. We need to treat them like kids in school we teach them the building blocks 1+1=2 cat and show them a picture of a cat. Some will pick it up right away and be ready to move on others may take more time. Some will make it through High School others will get a doctoract and othere will be somewhere inbetween.
2nd Timmothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Romans, 1&2 Timmothy The list is long on good things to start themwith
Here is my problem to many "Christians" today have iching ears and to many churches are worried about what the distric, regional,
national, and world councal thank than what Gods word says. They want to preach all you have to do is believe in "the sweet baby Jesus" and put your money in the plate.
Ask them a meaty question like this
Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
If you have read that what does it say understand it. Many have read it few understand it.
Staying in Mark 13 28Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: 29So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. 30Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. 31Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. How does Jesus start this out. Now learn a parable of the fig tree. "Will when my pastor . . . gets around to teaching it I will understand it. that is not what Jesus said He said now not later
They will never get around to answering it, I am not even sure they know themselves.
Understand when I say churches I do not mean all of them. Jesus said 2 of the 7 were good so we know there is a few out there.

You are defining the prophesy about Daniel being meat. You are probably right about calling these things meat. But sticking to the context of Hebrews as it relates to meat I see that the writer references things like the meaning of the Cheribims over the altar.

Heb 9:5The cherubim of glory were above the ark overshadowing the mercy seat. It is not possible to speak about these things in detail right now.

I would say that what the writer of Hebrews was communicating about meat was all of the shadows and typology of the OT as it relates to Jesus Christ. Therefore the prophesy of Daniel that Jesus told us about understood in the light of Jesus coming would fit this kind of pattern. Interpretating the OT in the context of Jesus.

We were talking about Hebrews 6 and nothing eles in that book at that time and I also included places like 1&2 Timmithy Romans as good places to teach new christians from

Not sure what you mean. The reference to them needing milk is in Heb 5. The dialogue continues into 6 where examples of milk are listed, but the examples of the meat continue for several more chapters.

Laying on of hands is milk. But who teaches it at all. And if they do, they think they are teaching the "deep things."

I don’t think many folks understand and more misunderstand the laying on of hands. That’s doctrine milk is whatever builds faith In Christ

Mormons really emphasize laying on of hands claiming one can’t receive the Holy Ghost unless an appointed wot Ed’s lays their hands on you

but the doctrine isn’t there for that if that’s where your going with it

“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:44‬ ‭

“For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:46‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Some read this as you have to have an apostle lay his hands on you but it’s not so believing the gospel is how the spirit is received laying hands is about this

“they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And it came to pass, that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and of a bloody flux: to whom Paul entered in, and prayed, and laid his hands on him, and healed him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.”
‭‭James‬ ‭5:14-16‬ ‭

it’s based o. What Jesus said about them laying hands on the sick and the sick becoming well because of the holt ghost and witness

Yes, there are many scriptures to list and to explain about the laying on of hands. And when you do, many pastors would say that you are going into things that are too deep. They would say this is the meat. But they would be wrong. This is the milk if you want to define something that the scriptures refer to as milk.

That is what I am saying. Most of the examples that I have heard people use when defining the milk was more like treating the people like they rode the short bus to school.

People don't need milk because they are stupid, the main reason many congregations need milk is because they are carnal. Getting them out of that state is going to require some preaching about living a fully surrendered, no compromise holy life and walking out the love life of self sacrifice. Then they will be ready for their eyes to be opened to the revelation of their inheritance and the deep things of their position in Christ.