Dispensationalism...

i already have, numerous times - Amen

he was saved out of the flood.

I appreciate you sister. But the Abrahamic Covenant is considered unconditional. Otherwise why did God do the ceremony in the way He did, different from the others?

It was completed.

lol, I have no intention of debating with you at all, I had noticed that one of you were really close to connecting the dots and realizing who the head was that received the deadly wound. You said a few similar things so I ask to see how you might answer that's all,(that was page three though).

Yes i know many consider it unconditional, i did for many years, but what do the scriptures say? Then there is this passage

Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

Which what ceremony are you speaking of ?

amen.. the mosaic was conditional. the abrahamic is not.. we are saved by the abrahamic covenant. in you shall all nations be blessed

the origional covenant said forever..

It also said that Abraham would not see it. that it would be 400 years first.

The land is theres.. It has never stopped being theres. they are not recieving the blessing of it because they are in sin (lev 26)

If the earth fades away, how could any group hold land on earth forever?

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea." - Rev 21:1 KJV

as long as the earth is here. how can forever end?

hi, KG, i wonder if you would mind very much explaining "his seed" ?

i hope it might help the discussion, but really i'm just happy to say hello to you.

Your intepretation creates a contradiction, how do you address it?

An everlasting covenant can be broken (cf. Is 24:5). The "everlasting" in Hebrew can mean perpetual rather than "unending". Also, if you mean something was given by promise, that's different.

Which promise are you talking about? It can't be Gen 17:8, because the Seed of the promise is Christ per Gal 3:16.

"And I will give unto thee [Abraham], and to [Christ] after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for [a perpetual] possession; and I will be their God." - Gen 17:8

I'll have to try and get back later. Makin' supper just now. But I will try and get back and take a shot at your question.

Is the Israel of today the same land that was of the promise?

History tells us it took much longer then a day :
The Zionism Movement
In the late 19th and early 20th century, an organized religious and political movement known as Zionism emerged among Jews.

Zionists wanted to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Massive numbers of Jews immigrated to the ancient holy land and built settlements. Between 1882 and 1903, about 35,000 Jews relocated to Palestine. Another 40,000 settled in the area between 1904 and 1914.

Many Jews living in Europe and elsewhere, fearing persecution during the Nazi reign, found refuge in Palestine and embraced Zionism. After the Holocaust and World War II ended, members of the Zionist movement primarily focused on creating an independent Jewish state.

Arabs in Palestine resisted the Zionism movement, and tensions between the two groups continue. An Arab nationalist movement developed as a result.

Whats for supper?

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