CHRIST THE CHOSEN ONE, THE ELECT OF THE FATHER

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chess-player

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If I may, I think that when we speak about the elect, we should consider that Christ is the One chosen before the foundation of the world to sit on the throne of David as the final Lord and King of Israel (Acts 2:36)

Since Christ, the Lord is the direct descendant of David the king and was prophesied that He would sit on his throne and reign forever, we should think that when we speak about the elect, we should consider the Lord first.

Luke 1:32-33 "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end."

1 Peter 1:20 "He was chosen before the creation of the world but was revealed in these last times for your sake." (NIV). At the same token, all those who have joined themselves to Him are also heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ (Ro. 8:17) which in turn makes them part of the elect,

Ephesians 1:4 "Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love, He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved."


Eph. 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them."


It is my contention then that Christ is the elect of the Father, who became the last true Israelite, giving them Israel one last chance to continue to be chosen providing they chose Jesus as their King and the rightful and final descendant of David.


Jesus is, in fact, the last true Israelite who was the only one who pleased the Father completely (Mat. 3:17, 12:18, 17:5, Mark 1:11, Luke 3:22, Jn 5:19, 30 and 2 Pe 1:17). Jesus did it all that was in the Father’s heart.

But with the nation of Israel, He was not pleased with at all (1 Cor. 10:5) because they continually strayed from Him and went after other gods (Amos 5:25-26, Acts 7:39)

Jesus is the true Israel and God’s only true representative because He retraced the steps that Israel took and completed what Israel never did,

Exo. 4:22 "Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD, "Israel is My son, My firstborn."


Matthew 2:15 He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON." (NAU)

NAS95 Numbers 32:13 "So the LORD'S anger burned against Israel, and He made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until the entire generation of those who had done evil in the sight of the LORD was destroyed."

Mark 1:13 "And He was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by Satan; and He was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to Him."

When the Lord went to the cross, He went for us and as our covenant representative (He took our place). When He died, we died with Him (Col 2:20, 3:3), when He resurrected from the dead, we resurrected with Him (Ro. 6:4-5) because we are born again (1 Pe 1:3, 23), and finally, when He ascended to the heavens, He took us with Him (in our spirits we are joined to the Spirit of Christ) to reign with Him in heavenly places, or a place of authority (Eph 2:6).

If that is the case and since the bible tells us that there is no longer Jew or Gentile, male or female, but rather we are all one in Christ Jesus (Gal 3:28), why do we go back to kindergarten school and try to maintain our "playing blocks" and assert that this present, political, and sinful nation is still God’s chosen?


When was the last time that God spoke to Israel? Hasn’t God spoken for the last time in His Son? (Heb 1:2). Hasn’t God called out a people (including Jews) to be part of His bride? Isn’t Jesus the head of the new covenant congregation that is connected to the old through the cross? Wouldn’t any thinking believer state that anyone who is outside of the body of the Messiah (Christ) does not belong to Him? (Ro. 8:9b)

The church is the B-O-D-Y of God the Son, who is the Messiah and the King of all creation, (Eph 1:23, 4:4-6, 5:30; Col 1:24)

In conclusion, God always had one people of faith and that’s the people He has always dealt with. Today it is called the church, the bride of Christ; in the OT, it was the remnant of Israel (true believers), who JOINED themselves to Christ and became the church (no replacement theology)

If God's plan was to have a separate Israel, what right do we have to read the OT because it was not written to them, not to us? However, we do read it, don't we? So, what happens when we read the psalms, memorize scriptures, and claim to be Abraham’s seed? Why do we do that? It is because we are the true remnant – or the new Israel of God!


In conclusion, the remnant of Israel that came to Christ ascended to the level and privilege to become the first body of Messiah (united to God through Christ-Jn. 14:17, 20). Later, Gentiles began to come to Christ (through the same door which is Christ-- John 10:7-8), therefore both groups are now one body (Eph. 2:14, 18-22).

Ephesians 4:4–6 (NASB 2020)
4 "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you also were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all."



THIS IS NOT REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY!
 

oyster67

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Christ is the One chosen before the foundation of the world to sit on the throne of David as the final Lord and King of Israel (Acts 2:36)
...and as the current Lord and King of the Universe. He won the victory 2000 years ago.

Matthew 21:42

“Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?”

THIS IS NOT REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY!
I agree. Men walked with God long before Judaism was a thing. Whether or not some land promises are still in effect for Israelites is not a big concern to me. We all need to acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Savior.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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1. God elect all who will be saved and predestined them to salvation.

2. God also elected a nation. and told them they would be a nation who would represent him on earth. WHo would bare the king, and bring salvation to the world. He gave them a plot of land in the middle east. He said this is an eternal lift.. THrough ALL of their generations.. There is no prerequisite of being saved to receive this gift. the only prerequisite was to be born into the family of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. However there was blessing and cursing which became a part of this gift (to which much is given, much is required) if we read lev 26. we see, if they obey, they will be blessed. If they disobey, they will be given 7 cycles of punishment to try to cause them to repent. if after the 6th, the fail. God will remove them from the land. Scatter them throughout the world. and destroy their cities and high places. (this occured 3 times, 1 when Assyria came against the northern kingdom. Once when babylon came against them (which they were never fully restored) and finally in 70 AD the final removal was accomplished. But even after this, They were told if they repent. God will remember the land and remember the fathers. Scripture tells us they WILL (not might) repent. and God will do just that (see Ezek 37, Romans 11 to name a few)

when 1 tries to say the second election is equal to the first. Or that the first replaces the second.

they teach replacement theology.
 
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If I may, I think that when we speak about the elect, we should consider that Christ is the One chosen before the foundation of the world to sit on the throne of David as the final Lord and King of Israel (Acts 2:36)

Since Christ, the Lord is the direct descendant of David the king and was prophesied that He would sit on his throne and reign forever, we should think that when we speak about the elect, we should consider the Lord first.

Luke 1:32-33 "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end."

1 Peter 1:20 "He was chosen before the creation of the world but was revealed in these last times for your sake." (NIV). At the same token, all those who have joined themselves to Him are also heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ (Ro. 8:17) which in turn makes them part of the elect,

Ephesians 1:4 "Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love, He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved."

Eph. 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them."

It is my contention then that Christ is the elect of the Father, who became the last true Israelite, giving them Israel one last chance to continue to be chosen providing they chose Jesus as their King and the rightful and final descendant of David.

Jesus is, in fact, the last true Israelite who was the only one who pleased the Father completely (Mat. 3:17, 12:18, 17:5, Mark 1:11, Luke 3:22, Jn 5:19, 30 and 2 Pe 1:17). Jesus did it all that was in the Father’s heart.

But with the nation of Israel, He was not pleased with at all (1 Cor. 10:5) because they continually strayed from Him and went after other gods (Amos 5:25-26, Acts 7:39)

Jesus is the true Israel and God’s only true representative because He retraced the steps that Israel took and completed what Israel never did,

Exo. 4:22 "Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD, "Israel is My son, My firstborn."

Matthew 2:15 He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON." (NAU)

NAS95 Numbers 32:13 "So the LORD'S anger burned against Israel, and He made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until the entire generation of those who had done evil in the sight of the LORD was destroyed."

Mark 1:13 "And He was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by Satan; and He was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to Him."

When the Lord went to the cross, He went for us and as our covenant representative (He took our place). When He died, we died with Him (Col 2:20, 3:3), when He resurrected from the dead, we resurrected with Him (Ro. 6:4-5) because we are born again (1 Pe 1:3, 23), and finally, when He ascended to the heavens, He took us with Him (in our spirits we are joined to the Spirit of Christ) to reign with Him in heavenly places, or a place of authority (Eph 2:6).

If that is the case and since the bible tells us that there is no longer Jew or Gentile, male or female, but rather we are all one in Christ Jesus (Gal 3:28), why do we go back to kindergarten school and try to maintain our "playing blocks" and assert that this present, political, and sinful nation is still God’s chosen?

When was the last time that God spoke to Israel? Hasn’t God spoken for the last time in His Son? (Heb 1:2). Hasn’t God called out a people (including Jews) to be part of His bride? Isn’t Jesus the head of the new covenant congregation that is connected to the old through the cross? Wouldn’t any thinking believer state that anyone who is outside of the body of the Messiah (Christ) does not belong to Him? (Ro. 8:9b)

The church is the B-O-D-Y of God the Son, who is the Messiah and the King of all creation, (Eph 1:23, 4:4-6, 5:30; Col 1:24)

In conclusion, God always had one people of faith and that’s the people He has always dealt with. Today it is called the church, the bride of Christ; in the OT, it was the remnant of Israel (true believers), who JOINED themselves to Christ and became the church (no replacement theology)

If God's plan was to have a separate Israel, what right do we have to read the OT because it was not written to them, not to us? However, we do read it, don't we? So, what happens when we read the psalms, memorize scriptures, and claim to be Abraham’s seed? Why do we do that? It is because we are the true remnant – or the new Israel of God!

In conclusion, the remnant of Israel that came to Christ ascended to the level and privilege to become the first body of Messiah (united to God through Christ-Jn. 14:17, 20). Later, Gentiles began to come to Christ (through the same door which is Christ-- John 10:7-8), therefore both groups are now one body (Eph. 2:14, 18-22).

Ephesians 4:4–6 (NASB 2020)
4 "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you also were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all."



THIS IS NOT REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY!
Basically, since Jesus Christ IS the Chosen (Elect) One from the Father, and Jesus' first advent was as the Suffering SERVANT, we know that election is to SERVICE. For Christ, for angels (1 Tim 5:21), for Israel (Amos 3:2), and for all believers (Eph 1:4).
 

JaumeJ

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It would seem from the Scriptures we are predestined by God from this age to the true Life in the Kingdom when we choose to believe and follow Jesus Yeshua,..
 
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It would seem from the Scriptures we are predestined by God from this age to the true Life in the Kingdom when we choose to believe and follow Jesus Yeshua,..
The Bible says believers are predestined to be like Christ. Romans 8
 

Live4Him3

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Jesus Christ is God's "elect" or the one whom God has "chosen".

We read:

Isaiah chapter 42

[1] Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delights; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
[2] He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
[3] A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
[4] He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

This portion of scripture is cited in the New Testament in relation to Jesus Christ.

Again, we read:

Matthew chapter 12

[14] Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.
[15] But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;
[16] And charged them that they should not make him known:
[17] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
[18] Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
[19] He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
[20] A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
[21] And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

As I said earlier, and even as we just read, Jesus Christ is God's "elect" or the one whom God has "chosen".

If we are ultimately found to be in Christ, then we are part of God's "elect" or we are "chosen IN HIM" (Eph. 1:4).

God's offer of salvation "in Christ" is made available to everyone, but, sad to say, not everyone will receive it.
Jesus is the true Israel...
Yes, he most certainly is.

The Bible clearly speaks of two different "Israels".

For example, we read:

Isaiah chapter 49

[1] Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
[2] And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;
[3] And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
[4] Then I said, I have labored in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.
[5] And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
[6] And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

First of all, Jesus Christ is the one whom the LORD has called from the womb, and the one of whom God made mention of his name while he was yet in Mary's womb (Luke 1:30-33).

Secondly, Jesus Christ is the one whose mouth has been made like a sharp sword (Rev. 1:16, 2:12, 16, 19:15, 21) in that he only ever spoke the words of God which are likened to a sharp sword in scripture (Eph. 6:17, Heb. 4:12).

Thirdly, Jesus Christ is the one whom God here called "my servant, O Israel" or the one in whom God would be glorified.

Notice Jesus' lament:

"Then I said, I have labored in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God" (vs. 4).

Here, Jesus Christ was lamenting the fact that most of the nation of Israel to whom he was sent would reject him (John 1:11-12).

Please consider the following:

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. " (II Chronicles 7:14)

How many times have you read this or heard it cited?

Have you ever paused to consider what it actually says?

The nation to whom this was spoken were "called by my name".

Well, what name were they called by?

Were they called by the name "Yahweh"?

No, they were not.

Were they called by the name "Jehovah"?

No, they were not.

Were they called by the name "Elohim"?

No, they were not.

Instead, they were called by the name "Israel" BECAUSE THAT IS JESUS' NAME IN THAT HE IS THE TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD.

In other words, Jesus truly is "Israel" because he is the one who truly "as a prince has power with God and with men, and has prevailed".

Genesis chapter 32

[27] And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
[28] And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

The nation of Israel was called by God to properly represent the true Israel, Jesus Christ, to this world, but, sad to say, more often than not, they failed terribly in doing so...and the worst is yet to come for them as a nation.

Turning back to Isaiah chapter 49, a chapter in which God called Jesus "my servant, O Israel" (vs. 3), hear God's response to Jesus' lament:

[5] And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
[6] And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Here, God is telling one "Israel" (Jesus in vs. 3) about another "Israel" (vs. 5) who would "be not gathered". Again, this was precisely fulfilled when many Israelites rejected Jesus Christ at his first coming. God then tells Jesus that he will "restore the preserved of Israel" or save the believing remnant. and that he will also be given as a light to the Gentiles that he might be God's salvation unto the end of the earth.

Anyhow, it is only those who are a part of this first "Israel", Jesus Christ, who will ultimately compose what the Apostle Paul called "the Israel of God" (Gal. 6:16).

That's the truth folks...even though multitudes of people have been duped into believing otherwise.

Well, that was just an introduction.

The entire Bible backs my allegations, so I've certainly got much more to say on this matter if need be.
 

chess-player

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#9
Jesus Christ is God's "elect" or the one whom God has "chosen".

We read:

Isaiah chapter 42

[1] Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delights; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
[2] He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
[3] A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
[4] He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

This portion of scripture is cited in the New Testament in relation to Jesus Christ.

Again, we read:

Matthew chapter 12

[14] Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.
[15] But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;
[16] And charged them that they should not make him known:
[17] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
[18] Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
[19] He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
[20] A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
[21] And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

As I said earlier, and even as we just read, Jesus Christ is God's "elect" or the one whom God has "chosen".

If we are ultimately found to be in Christ, then we are part of God's "elect" or we are "chosen IN HIM" (Eph. 1:4).

God's offer of salvation "in Christ" is made available to everyone, but, sad to say, not everyone will receive it.
Yes, he most certainly is.

The Bible clearly speaks of two different "Israels".

For example, we read:

Isaiah chapter 49

[1] Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
[2] And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;
[3] And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
[4] Then I said, I have labored in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.
[5] And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
[6] And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

First of all, Jesus Christ is the one whom the LORD has called from the womb, and the one of whom God made mention of his name while he was yet in Mary's womb (Luke 1:30-33).

Secondly, Jesus Christ is the one whose mouth has been made like a sharp sword (Rev. 1:16, 2:12, 16, 19:15, 21) in that he only ever spoke the words of God which are likened to a sharp sword in scripture (Eph. 6:17, Heb. 4:12).

Thirdly, Jesus Christ is the one whom God here called "my servant, O Israel" or the one in whom God would be glorified.

Notice Jesus' lament:

"Then I said, I have labored in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God" (vs. 4).

Here, Jesus Christ was lamenting the fact that most of the nation of Israel to whom he was sent would reject him (John 1:11-12).

Please consider the following:

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. " (II Chronicles 7:14)

How many times have you read this or heard it cited?

Have you ever paused to consider what it actually says?

The nation to whom this was spoken were "called by my name".

Well, what name were they called by?

Were they called by the name "Yahweh"?

No, they were not.

Were they called by the name "Jehovah"?

No, they were not.

Were they called by the name "Elohim"?

No, they were not.

Instead, they were called by the name "Israel" BECAUSE THAT IS JESUS' NAME IN THAT HE IS THE TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD.

In other words, Jesus truly is "Israel" because he is the one who truly "as a prince has power with God and with men, and has prevailed".

Genesis chapter 32

[27] And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
[28] And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

The nation of Israel was called by God to properly represent the true Israel, Jesus Christ, to this world, but, sad to say, more often than not, they failed terribly in doing so...and the worst is yet to come for them as a nation.

Turning back to Isaiah chapter 49, a chapter in which God called Jesus "my servant, O Israel" (vs. 3), hear God's response to Jesus' lament:

[5] And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
[6] And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Here, God is telling one "Israel" (Jesus in vs. 3) about another "Israel" (vs. 5) who would "be not gathered". Again, this was precisely fulfilled when many Israelites rejected Jesus Christ at his first coming. God then tells Jesus that he will "restore the preserved of Israel" or save the believing remnant. and that he will also be given as a light to the Gentiles that he might be God's salvation unto the end of the earth.

Anyhow, it is only those who are a part of this first "Israel", Jesus Christ, who will ultimately compose what the Apostle Paul called "the Israel of God" (Gal. 6:16).

That's the truth folks...even though multitudes of people have been duped into believing otherwise.

Well, that was just an introduction.

The entire Bible backs my allegations, so I've certainly got much more to say on this matter if need be.
This is an excellent response, my friend! Your follow-up response complements my original thread. Great insight!
 

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If I may, I think that when we speak about the elect, we should consider that Christ is the One chosen before the foundation of the world to sit on the throne of David as the final Lord and King of Israel (Acts 2:36)

Since Christ, the Lord is the direct descendant of David the king and was prophesied that He would sit on his throne and reign forever, we should think that when we speak about the elect, we should consider the Lord first.

Luke 1:32-33 "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end."

1 Peter 1:20 "He was chosen before the creation of the world but was revealed in these last times for your sake." (NIV). At the same token, all those who have joined themselves to Him are also heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ (Ro. 8:17) which in turn makes them part of the elect,

Ephesians 1:4 "Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love, He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved."

Eph. 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them."

It is my contention then that Christ is the elect of the Father, who became the last true Israelite, giving them Israel one last chance to continue to be chosen providing they chose Jesus as their King and the rightful and final descendant of David.

Jesus is, in fact, the last true Israelite who was the only one who pleased the Father completely (Mat. 3:17, 12:18, 17:5, Mark 1:11, Luke 3:22, Jn 5:19, 30 and 2 Pe 1:17). Jesus did it all that was in the Father’s heart.

But with the nation of Israel, He was not pleased with at all (1 Cor. 10:5) because they continually strayed from Him and went after other gods (Amos 5:25-26, Acts 7:39)

Jesus is the true Israel and God’s only true representative because He retraced the steps that Israel took and completed what Israel never did,

Exo. 4:22 "Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD, "Israel is My son, My firstborn."

Matthew 2:15 He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON." (NAU)

NAS95 Numbers 32:13 "So the LORD'S anger burned against Israel, and He made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until the entire generation of those who had done evil in the sight of the LORD was destroyed."

Mark 1:13 "And He was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by Satan; and He was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to Him."

When the Lord went to the cross, He went for us and as our covenant representative (He took our place). When He died, we died with Him (Col 2:20, 3:3), when He resurrected from the dead, we resurrected with Him (Ro. 6:4-5) because we are born again (1 Pe 1:3, 23), and finally, when He ascended to the heavens, He took us with Him (in our spirits we are joined to the Spirit of Christ) to reign with Him in heavenly places, or a place of authority (Eph 2:6).

If that is the case and since the bible tells us that there is no longer Jew or Gentile, male or female, but rather we are all one in Christ Jesus (Gal 3:28), why do we go back to kindergarten school and try to maintain our "playing blocks" and assert that this present, political, and sinful nation is still God’s chosen?

When was the last time that God spoke to Israel? Hasn’t God spoken for the last time in His Son? (Heb 1:2). Hasn’t God called out a people (including Jews) to be part of His bride? Isn’t Jesus the head of the new covenant congregation that is connected to the old through the cross? Wouldn’t any thinking believer state that anyone who is outside of the body of the Messiah (Christ) does not belong to Him? (Ro. 8:9b)

The church is the B-O-D-Y of God the Son, who is the Messiah and the King of all creation, (Eph 1:23, 4:4-6, 5:30; Col 1:24)

In conclusion, God always had one people of faith and that’s the people He has always dealt with. Today it is called the church, the bride of Christ; in the OT, it was the remnant of Israel (true believers), who JOINED themselves to Christ and became the church (no replacement theology)

If God's plan was to have a separate Israel, what right do we have to read the OT because it was not written to them, not to us? However, we do read it, don't we? So, what happens when we read the psalms, memorize scriptures, and claim to be Abraham’s seed? Why do we do that? It is because we are the true remnant – or the new Israel of God!

In conclusion, the remnant of Israel that came to Christ ascended to the level and privilege to become the first body of Messiah (united to God through Christ-Jn. 14:17, 20). Later, Gentiles began to come to Christ (through the same door which is Christ-- John 10:7-8), therefore both groups are now one body (Eph. 2:14, 18-22).

Ephesians 4:4–6 (NASB 2020)
4 "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you also were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all."



THIS IS NOT REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY!
Anytime, you try to remove national Israel from the Covenant - both the Abrahamic and Davidic and New - and make the Church, the new Israel....

THIS IS REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY. The promises to Israel, in a physical Kingdom, will be done. Why! Because God made an irrevocable, unilateral and unconditional promise to the forefathers.

Ezekiel 36:22-28 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: I do not this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for my holy name, which ye have profaned among the nations, whither ye went. And I will sanctify my great name, which hath been profaned among the nations, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the nations shall know that I am Jehovah, saith the Lord Jehovah, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the nations, and gather you out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land. And I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep mine ordinances, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

The Apostle Paul also said this:

Romans 11:25-29 For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant of this mystery, lest ye be wise in your own conceits, that a hardening in part hath befallen Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in; and so all Israel shall be saved: even as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer; He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: And this is my covenant unto them, When I shall take away their sins. As touching the gospel, they are enemies for your sake: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sake. For the gifts and the calling of God are not repented of.
 

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Anytime, you try to remove national Israel from the Covenant - both the Abrahamic and Davidic and New - and make the Church, the new Israel....

THIS IS REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY. The promises to Israel, in a physical Kingdom, will be done. Why! Because God made an irrevocable, unilateral and unconditional promise to the forefathers.

Ezekiel 36:22-28 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: I do not this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for my holy name, which ye have profaned among the nations, whither ye went. And I will sanctify my great name, which hath been profaned among the nations, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the nations shall know that I am Jehovah, saith the Lord Jehovah, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the nations, and gather you out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land. And I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep mine ordinances, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

The Apostle Paul also said this:

Romans 11:25-29 For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant of this mystery, lest ye be wise in your own conceits, that a hardening in part hath befallen Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in; and so all Israel shall be saved: even as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer; He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: And this is my covenant unto them, When I shall take away their sins. As touching the gospel, they are enemies for your sake: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sake. For the gifts and the calling of God are not repented of.

False. Replacement Theology simply states that Israel failed to fulfill their call, so God came up with an alternate plan and created the church. THIS IS TOTALLY FALSE.

You must understand that when the days approached to close the old covenant, those who were under the law were also about to be judged. When the temple came down in AD 70, all those who were under the law were also judged (composed of 99.0% of Israel). After that, all that remained was the remnant of Israel that had bowed the knee to Jesus Christ. This remnant was 100% Jewish and formed the early congregation of Christ. The new covenant community of believers is God's idea which began before the world when the Lamb was slain in God's heart (Rev. 13:8b).


Did John the Baptist begin with "replacement theology" when he announced the arrival of the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world? (Jn 1:29, 36). No, he was announcing what had been hidden from the foundation of the world that would deliver man from sin and death, and crown him with righteousness through faith in the Messiah.

Do you know why none of the disciples and Jews who heard the Lord speaking about building His church were not surprised, and no one asked Him what He meant by "church"? I tell you why, because He was speaking about something they all understood. He was simply speaking His congregation (sheep of His pasture) as opposed to the old congregation of Israel that belonged to the Law of commandments. The new congregation came out of the womb of old Israel because the old was fast becoming obsolete and ready to disappear (Heb. 8:13)-- while the new was NEW IN KIND.

One may say that the new congregation belonged to Christ while the old congregation was yoked to the law and ready to be judged as ineffective and contrary to God's edicts (Mat. 23:34-38, 24:2; Luke 19:41-44; 1Thes. 2:14-16, etc.).


Acts 20:28 (NAS20) "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you 1overseers, to shepherd the church (congregation) of God which He purchased with His own blood."

The noun "church" (Ekklesia in Greek) simply means '" CALLED OUT." Those who have believed in the Lord have been "called out" of the world's mindset, while those who don't belong to Christ, remain as part of this world and continue to be dead in their sins and trespasses even while they are simply existing (Eph. 2:1).

Your concept of "Replacement Theology" appears to have no point of reference here because it doesn't exist.
 

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The noun "church" (Ekklesia in Greek) simply means '" CALLED OUT." Those who have believed in the Lord have been "called out" of the world's mindset, while those who don't belong to Christ, remain as part of this world and continue to be dead in their sins and trespasses even while they are simply existing (Eph. 2:1).

Your concept of "Replacement Theology" appears to have no point of reference here because it doesn't exist.
Hi, chess-player.

I started a blog my last time through here as "Live4Him2" that might be of some interest to you.

My first post there is entitled "Which came first: The church or the nation of Israel?". It's rather long (4 posts combined together), and you might wonder how it relates to the topic at hand initially, but if you read it until the end, then I think that you'll possibly gain some further insight into the matter at hand.

Here is a link to that post if you're interested in reading it:

https://christianchat.com/blogs/whi...-or-the-nation-of-israel.205002/#post-4818315

I also addressed the word "ekklesia" in a follow-up post there, and you can read what I said about that, if you're interested in doing so, by following this link:

https://christianchat.com/blogs/whi...-or-the-nation-of-israel.205002/#post-4818521

Whether you decide to read either of those posts or not, the ones who are truly guilty of "replacement theology" are those whose focus is upon the physical nation of Israel as opposed to Jesus Christ, the true Israel, who greatly preceded the physical nation of Israel.

You're on the right path in what you've been saying here thus far.
 

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Maybe this will get to the heart of the matter: If natural Israel (the DNA descendants of Abraham) remains blind, deaf, and dumb to the truth of the Lord Jesus Christ because of God’s own hand, then how much effort should we invest to refine her? Another way: if they remain hardened until the fullness of the Gentiles and unable to see the Lord until THEY say “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord” then what does it matter to us?

Are we not better served to press into Christ in our own lives and spend our efforts, led by God, to equip and support the ecclesia (which included Jews) so that THEY might attain the standard of Christ?
 

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God's heart has always been for Jerusalem. When Jesus returns, it will not be to Mecca, Rome, Washington D.C., or Hong Kong.
 

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Hi, chess-player.

I started a blog my last time through here as "Live4Him2" that might be of some interest to you.

My first post there is entitled "Which came first: The church or the nation of Israel?". It's rather long (4 posts combined together), and you might wonder how it relates to the topic at hand initially, but if you read it until the end, then I think that you'll possibly gain some further insight into the matter at hand.

Here is a link to that post if you're interested in reading it:

https://christianchat.com/blogs/whi...-or-the-nation-of-israel.205002/#post-4818315

I also addressed the word "ekklesia" in a follow-up post there, and you can read what I said about that, if you're interested in doing so, by following this link:

https://christianchat.com/blogs/whi...-or-the-nation-of-israel.205002/#post-4818521

Whether you decide to read either of those posts or not, the ones who are truly guilty of "replacement theology" are those whose focus is upon the physical nation of Israel as opposed to Jesus Christ, the true Israel, who greatly preceded the physical nation of Israel.

You're on the right path in what you've been saying here thus far.
Amen. Thank you for your post. I will take a look at the links you provided. 🤠
 

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If I may, I think that when we speak about the elect, we should consider that Christ is the One chosen before the foundation of the world to sit on the throne of David as the final Lord and King of Israel (Acts 2:36)

Since Christ, the Lord is the direct descendant of David the king and was prophesied that He would sit on his throne and reign forever, we should think that when we speak about the elect, we should consider the Lord first.

Luke 1:32-33 "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end."

1 Peter 1:20 "He was chosen before the creation of the world but was revealed in these last times for your sake." (NIV). At the same token, all those who have joined themselves to Him are also heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ (Ro. 8:17) which in turn makes them part of the elect,

Ephesians 1:4 "Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love, He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved."

Eph. 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them."

It is my contention then that Christ is the elect of the Father, who became the last true Israelite, giving them Israel one last chance to continue to be chosen providing they chose Jesus as their King and the rightful and final descendant of David.

Jesus is, in fact, the last true Israelite who was the only one who pleased the Father completely (Mat. 3:17, 12:18, 17:5, Mark 1:11, Luke 3:22, Jn 5:19, 30 and 2 Pe 1:17). Jesus did it all that was in the Father’s heart.

But with the nation of Israel, He was not pleased with at all (1 Cor. 10:5) because they continually strayed from Him and went after other gods (Amos 5:25-26, Acts 7:39)

Jesus is the true Israel and God’s only true representative because He retraced the steps that Israel took and completed what Israel never did,

Exo. 4:22 "Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD, "Israel is My son, My firstborn."

Matthew 2:15 He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON." (NAU)

NAS95 Numbers 32:13 "So the LORD'S anger burned against Israel, and He made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until the entire generation of those who had done evil in the sight of the LORD was destroyed."

Mark 1:13 "And He was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by Satan; and He was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to Him."

When the Lord went to the cross, He went for us and as our covenant representative (He took our place). When He died, we died with Him (Col 2:20, 3:3), when He resurrected from the dead, we resurrected with Him (Ro. 6:4-5) because we are born again (1 Pe 1:3, 23), and finally, when He ascended to the heavens, He took us with Him (in our spirits we are joined to the Spirit of Christ) to reign with Him in heavenly places, or a place of authority (Eph 2:6).

If that is the case and since the bible tells us that there is no longer Jew or Gentile, male or female, but rather we are all one in Christ Jesus (Gal 3:28), why do we go back to kindergarten school and try to maintain our "playing blocks" and assert that this present, political, and sinful nation is still God’s chosen?

When was the last time that God spoke to Israel? Hasn’t God spoken for the last time in His Son? (Heb 1:2). Hasn’t God called out a people (including Jews) to be part of His bride? Isn’t Jesus the head of the new covenant congregation that is connected to the old through the cross? Wouldn’t any thinking believer state that anyone who is outside of the body of the Messiah (Christ) does not belong to Him? (Ro. 8:9b)

The church is the B-O-D-Y of God the Son, who is the Messiah and the King of all creation, (Eph 1:23, 4:4-6, 5:30; Col 1:24)

In conclusion, God always had one people of faith and that’s the people He has always dealt with. Today it is called the church, the bride of Christ; in the OT, it was the remnant of Israel (true believers), who JOINED themselves to Christ and became the church (no replacement theology)

If God's plan was to have a separate Israel, what right do we have to read the OT because it was not written to them, not to us? However, we do read it, don't we? So, what happens when we read the psalms, memorize scriptures, and claim to be Abraham’s seed? Why do we do that? It is because we are the true remnant – or the new Israel of God!

In conclusion, the remnant of Israel that came to Christ ascended to the level and privilege to become the first body of Messiah (united to God through Christ-Jn. 14:17, 20). Later, Gentiles began to come to Christ (through the same door which is Christ-- John 10:7-8), therefore both groups are now one body (Eph. 2:14, 18-22).

Ephesians 4:4–6 (NASB 2020)
4 "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you also were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all."



THIS IS NOT REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY!
We also are elect in Him before the creation of the world.

As for the Jews

They are enemies of the gospel for our sakes but AS TOUCHING ELECTION they are BELOVED for the sake of the fathers for the gifts and calling of God are IRREVOCABLE.

If it were at all possible [God forbid] that God could renege on His promises to the Jews many of which are yet to be fulfilled then He might renege on His promise to YOU.

The church also has failed MISERABLY in the commission given her to reach every creature with the good news, why might God now say "behold now, I gave you a simple task, you have hardly scratched the surface these 2, 000 years therefore I will cast YOU off and choose another people in your place and they will replace YOU as my people .... mebbe I will go back to My ancient people .... mebbe when they look upon Him whom they have pierced they will now repent ... yes.

God will not renege on any of His good promises, neither to the Jews or to us.
 
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We also are elect in Him before the creation of the world.
The word "us" in Eph 1:4 is defined in v.19 as "us who believe". So Eph 1:4 speaks of believers who have been chosen...to be holy and blameless, which is SERVICE.
 

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If I may, I think that when we speak about the elect, we should consider that Christ is the One chosen before the foundation of the world to sit on the throne of David as the final Lord and King of Israel (Acts 2:36)

Since Christ, the Lord is the direct descendant of David the king and was prophesied that He would sit on his throne and reign forever, we should think that when we speak about the elect, we should consider the Lord first.

Luke 1:32-33 "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end."

1 Peter 1:20 "He was chosen before the creation of the world but was revealed in these last times for your sake." (NIV). At the same token, all those who have joined themselves to Him are also heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ (Ro. 8:17) which in turn makes them part of the elect,

Ephesians 1:4 "Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love, He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved."

Eph. 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them."

It is my contention then that Christ is the elect of the Father, who became the last true Israelite, giving them Israel one last chance to continue to be chosen providing they chose Jesus as their King and the rightful and final descendant of David.

Jesus is, in fact, the last true Israelite who was the only one who pleased the Father completely (Mat. 3:17, 12:18, 17:5, Mark 1:11, Luke 3:22, Jn 5:19, 30 and 2 Pe 1:17). Jesus did it all that was in the Father’s heart.

But with the nation of Israel, He was not pleased with at all (1 Cor. 10:5) because they continually strayed from Him and went after other gods (Amos 5:25-26, Acts 7:39)

Jesus is the true Israel and God’s only true representative because He retraced the steps that Israel took and completed what Israel never did,

Exo. 4:22 "Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD, "Israel is My son, My firstborn."

Matthew 2:15 He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON." (NAU)

NAS95 Numbers 32:13 "So the LORD'S anger burned against Israel, and He made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until the entire generation of those who had done evil in the sight of the LORD was destroyed."

Mark 1:13 "And He was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by Satan; and He was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to Him."

When the Lord went to the cross, He went for us and as our covenant representative (He took our place). When He died, we died with Him (Col 2:20, 3:3), when He resurrected from the dead, we resurrected with Him (Ro. 6:4-5) because we are born again (1 Pe 1:3, 23), and finally, when He ascended to the heavens, He took us with Him (in our spirits we are joined to the Spirit of Christ) to reign with Him in heavenly places, or a place of authority (Eph 2:6).

If that is the case and since the bible tells us that there is no longer Jew or Gentile, male or female, but rather we are all one in Christ Jesus (Gal 3:28), why do we go back to kindergarten school and try to maintain our "playing blocks" and assert that this present, political, and sinful nation is still God’s chosen?

When was the last time that God spoke to Israel? Hasn’t God spoken for the last time in His Son? (Heb 1:2). Hasn’t God called out a people (including Jews) to be part of His bride? Isn’t Jesus the head of the new covenant congregation that is connected to the old through the cross? Wouldn’t any thinking believer state that anyone who is outside of the body of the Messiah (Christ) does not belong to Him? (Ro. 8:9b)

The church is the B-O-D-Y of God the Son, who is the Messiah and the King of all creation, (Eph 1:23, 4:4-6, 5:30; Col 1:24)

In conclusion, God always had one people of faith and that’s the people He has always dealt with. Today it is called the church, the bride of Christ; in the OT, it was the remnant of Israel (true believers), who JOINED themselves to Christ and became the church (no replacement theology)

If God's plan was to have a separate Israel, what right do we have to read the OT because it was not written to them, not to us? However, we do read it, don't we? So, what happens when we read the psalms, memorize scriptures, and claim to be Abraham’s seed? Why do we do that? It is because we are the true remnant – or the new Israel of God!

In conclusion, the remnant of Israel that came to Christ ascended to the level and privilege to become the first body of Messiah (united to God through Christ-Jn. 14:17, 20). Later, Gentiles began to come to Christ (through the same door which is Christ-- John 10:7-8), therefore both groups are now one body (Eph. 2:14, 18-22).

Ephesians 4:4–6 (NASB 2020)
4 "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you also were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all."



THIS IS NOT REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY!
Amen good read

From your conclusion that Christ is the elect

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27, 29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when we are baptized into the elect son of God, when we take his name upon ourselves, the phrase “in Christ “ is a reference to how God now sees us as those promises elect people being born



“and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:10, 12-16‬ ‭

we’re being elected through the only begotten and elect son of God or another way to say it we’re being adopted and conformed to the image of Gods beloved son being the children because we are in the son

“For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the children born in Christ are the elect and the hiers of salvation
 

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Amen good read

From your conclusion that Christ is the elect

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27, 29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when we are baptized into the elect son of God, when we take his name upon ourselves, the phrase “in Christ “ is a reference to how God now sees us as those promises elect people being born



“and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:10, 12-16‬ ‭

we’re being elected through the only begotten and elect son of God or another way to say it we’re being adopted and conformed to the image of Gods beloved son being the children because we are in the son

“For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the children born in Christ are the elect and the hiers of salvation
Amen brother, amen!